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whitewave Sun 11-Jun-17 10:52:41

Now this really be worth doing!!

Let's start with the QS.

What will be left out/watered down! Not sure how they will explain it away as it's in the manifesto. Probably say something like "Brexit and all it's complications will mean that stuff will have to be shelved"

Fox hunting - out
Triple lock - remains
Social care - out

Tegan2 Sun 02-Jul-17 22:45:09

I still don't understand how we can be heading over a precipice because of a referendum that not many people understand and was based on a load of lies and false promises, and yet a government can get into power with a manifesto that they can then almost completely scrap after election day. Democracy baffles me at times confused....

durhamjen Sun 02-Jul-17 23:04:47

Some people want power at any price, Tegan, even if it means dumping their core voters, as GracesGran, I think it was, said.
Gove says public sector pay reviews should be respected, although all the time he was in government he went along with the cap, and rejected Labour's amendment just last week.
Alice in Wonderland world now.

durhamjen Sun 02-Jul-17 23:36:06

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/07/02/conservatism-according-to-michael-gove-greed-stupidity-and-short-sightedness/
I hope Gove doesn't read the tweets following his interview today.

On second thoughts.....

suzied Mon 03-Jul-17 07:12:37

I can't understand why Boris and Gove are calling to the end the pay cap and last week voted against lifting the pay cap.....

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 07:34:51

Because they are spivs and conmen

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 07:57:13

20% more nurses leaving than joining.

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 07:58:23

Another bit of manifesto bites the dust.

Plan to scrap free school lunches scrapped

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 08:09:54

Oh scrap one of the scraps!!!!

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 08:18:52

Lamont still calling for austerity so in opposition to Johnson and Gove.

They are completely divided on tha subject

GracesGranMK2 Mon 03-Jul-17 08:22:15

It is not just about power for the people currently involved. It is about their ideologies; these have not changed. They see a particular type of state and will do all they can to be in a position to bring that about. A couple of weeks ago they were against a Labour government that would do all they are now beginning to put in place. That is because they are fundamentally in power to put control in the hands of those who live through capital, where those who basically live by their labour are not a consideration except in as much as not allowing them to be in a place where they might take the power from them.

This graphic is a view of those who put the Conservatives back in power; statistically they were older and less well educated and working class (as defined by others not me!). Just as it was this group who swayed the vote in Brexit there particular type of conservatism has put the current government in too. Their view of life, has taken us into the situations which only now are being recognised for what they are by some of them.

mcem Mon 03-Jul-17 09:06:10

Wow GG how very telling!
Mind you, from views expressed here we could perhaps have told them all of that.
Just a thought - maybe GN was one of their sources.
(Where did you find it?)

durhamjen Mon 03-Jul-17 09:14:02

'The real issue is how Philip Hammond is going to pay for what could be a £6bn bill. Boris sources hint he doesn’t want tax rises (he thinks they can be done “without causing fiscal pressures”). Michael Gove too hints he opposes tax hikes, telling Andrew Marr he “suppresses” his views to agree a collective line. Former nurse-turned-Tory MP Maria Caulfield told Today: "It's a difficult, stressful, responsible job and if people aren't paid enough so they can make ends meet they will go and do something else."

With the teachers’ pay review body due this month and expected to call for a rise greater than 1%, will Hammond really try to find deeper spending cuts? Or will he use the other magic money tree of greater ‘efficiency savings’? Or use the headroom he already gave himself with the surplus date put back to 2025? Don’t forget he still has to find £2bn from somewhere to pay for social care/health from his last Budget (having abandoned the NI rise), let alone billions more for winter fuel. The Chancellor gives a speech to the CBI at 9pm, let’s see if he gives more clues then.'

From Huffpost.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 03-Jul-17 09:16:10

The graphic was on Facebook mcem and I'm afraid I can't remember where it originated. It had been shared by a friend. Obviously grinI found the words in my head

suzied Mon 03-Jul-17 09:33:22

Don't forget we will soon have £350m a week to spend on NHS. It was on the side of a bus. It must be true.

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 10:35:36

Oh yes £350million, how could you forget it!!

I wonder how they intend funding lifting the pay cap, as unlike Labour they didn't cost their original manifesto, -perhaps they will take Labour costings -easy really as they have taken the Labour manifesto and replaced it with their rejected one by the majority if the population.

Mind you if I voted Tory I would be annoyed as nothing that I voted for is coming to fruition, including a hard Brexit.

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 11:46:45

Hope the magic money tree is growing strongly as the news is that Hinckley point has now reach £1.5bn. Perhaps we could feed it a few DUP members.

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 11:52:45

Not sure how many u-turns this represents, but Downing Street says it won't be lifting the pay cap.

There must be civil war in cabinet!

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 12:09:29

Just reading about Gove and his threat to leave the fisheries convention. Apparently it no longer exists so I suspected, but now have it confirmed that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Tegan2 Mon 03-Jul-17 12:57:59

What sickens me is that these career politicians would quite happily be implementing the contents of the manifesto now if they'd got a huge majority. All they care about is furthering their own career and are only asking for an end to austerity for that reason. Makes me angry!!

Tegan2 Mon 03-Jul-17 12:59:33

Oh, we're also supposed to be getting cheaper heating bills as well [according to Gisela Stuart]....that doesn't appear to be happening, does it?

Tegan2 Mon 03-Jul-17 13:05:09

'Finally on energy, the poorest households spend three times more of their income on household energy bills than the richest households spend. As long as we are in the EU, we are not allowed to cut VAT on domestic fuel. When we Vote Leave, we will be able to scrap this unfair and damaging tax.' Gisela Stuart gransnet Q&A [worth re reading the whole thread and it's promises, by the way, especially as Ms Stuart, along with Cameron, has done a runner]

whitewave Mon 03-Jul-17 13:09:46

That isnt quite right re VAT.

At the moment it is at 5%.

So why not a 0 rate. We've always argued that 0 is a rate. Food is 0 rated as are books.

durhamjen Mon 03-Jul-17 13:38:21

This is interesting. Does anyone not know any stressed teachers?

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/01/stressed-teachers-offered-electric-shock-therapy-combat-anxiety/

Anyone think some of the government should try it, too?
Then we might not have Brexit.

MaizieD Mon 03-Jul-17 13:43:47

especially as Ms Stuart, along with Cameron, has done a runner

Not only has she done a runner but she has said that the referendum should never have been run!

Leading Brexit campaigner says 'vacuous' referendum should never have been called

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-vacuous-gisela-stuart-leading-leave-campaigner-abuse-democratic-process-comments-a7803631.html

durhamjen Mon 03-Jul-17 13:55:29

jackofkent.com/2017/07/three-things-about-brexit/

The comments are worth reading as well.
Hope the Labour party don't fall for it.

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