I, too, would renationalise transport and the utilities for all the reasons stated above. In addition, Royal Mail should never have been sold off.
Heated Brush recommendation,please.
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SubscribeWhile the dust is settling from the GE it could be time to look perhaps a bit more calmly at some of the issues.
I suggest we start with rail nationalisation as CardiffJaguar has raised it as a bit of a derailer (sorry) on another thread. I quote their post.
CardiffJaguar Sun 11-Jun-17 08:21:51
Now I have started something it seems. Take nationalisation as one example of past mistakes. Looking at Southern Rail as it is today it is very reminiscent of the problems of BR during the time it was government owned and run. the decision to put rail out into privatisation was a desperate move by government to get rid of a problem they could not resolve. The privatisation was botched and rail is still costing the taxpayer yet public ownership failed. There are many lessons to be learnt about what not to do in the future.
Also, GG2 has responded so I'll quote that too
GG2
Cardiff, just one point (initially), although there are many. After 1945, the Labour government nationalised key industries, such as railways, steel and electricity. I wonder how many years it would have taken to take these industries forward after the war if it was left to "the market". Some industries require long-term investment to improve services over time. This long-term investment may not be profitable in the short-term, so without government intervention they may suffer from lack of long term - or what seems to be currently called 'slow' investment.
There was a long period - up to Thatcher - when there was a consensus between the parties that a mixed economy - some government run, some privately run - would work for this country. The far-right then decided to change things. This does not mean they were right.
Anyone, apart from me, want to take it from here?
I, too, would renationalise transport and the utilities for all the reasons stated above. In addition, Royal Mail should never have been sold off.
Agreed, vampirequeen, and it can be done., particularly with transport, as soon as any franchise comes up for renewal. It's the government which hands out the franchises.
I would renationalise transport and utilities with no compensation. The shareholders have made enough in dividends over the years. No one should profit from the provision of necessities.
One issue is that the government agreed that the huge gas storage plant could be shut down.
I'm not up to speed on how the government policy has impacted the price of gas. Anyone got any links to share and start my education? Thanks.
There are various energy cooperatives listed on the weownit link.
If you live in one of those areas it would definitely be worthwhile getting your energy from then, White Rose in Leeds area, Robin Hood Energy in Nottingham, etc.
I used £120 of gas last month. Really looking forward to the price tripling because of shortsighted government policy.
If the government had continued supporting renewables we wouldn't be in such a mess.
weownit.org.uk/public-ownership/energy
Ecotricity is producing green gas using gas mills.
www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/our-green-gas
This is not encouraged by the government. It would prefer fracking, as we saw last night on QT.
Is re-nationalisation of utilities the best solution, or even possible at this late stage? Not sure myself, it is hugely complicated.
But it is now clear that we are at then mercy of other countries for our major energy supplies- having sold it all to foreign companies, in the EU and out. Gas supplies are very low- and the price about to triple - the same could happen to other energy supplies, including oil = petrol and diesel. What then? If Brexit happens we will be totally isolated - will not be able to control supply and prices... What a mess.
The CWU
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Those asking where the money to renationalise Royal Mail will come from are the same people who turned a blind eye when George Osbornes best man made £18m from the sale ?
Its our Royal Mail and under Labour we are taking it back #TheCWU ?
I wonder what is the view of people who voted for brexit on nationalisation? If people wanted to "take back control" from Europe I would have thought they would support the idea of nationalisation, because it would be taking back control of our services into British hands, instead of European governments.
my.labourlist.org/page/m/2c9aec3a/13fa0d4e/60f78f1c/34ad79f7/2528825489/VEsHDQ/
An excellent article here by Paul Mason.
weownit.org.uk/node/1725
Not the link you asked for, Maizie, but just as important.
I thought that Grayling was giving them back to them on 'new' terms? Wasn't that what Andrew Adonis getting rather cross about a week or so ago?
I never thought I'd have to ask you this, dj, but have you a link?
Have you seen the news about Stagecoach wanting to give up the North East franchise, as it will go bust if it continues for even a few months?
Surely a case for the government taking over properly again.
Awful for the inhabitants of the towns though.
Welshwife The reason for that is probably the same as the reason so many residential properties in London are empty. The appreciation on the asset makes it a worthwhile investment for the owner. Sometimes, tenants can cause the value of a property to fall.
It is a bit like people who own an area of shopping space. While I was back in UK I visited the local covered market and found many 'stalls' empty and closed - eventually I asked someone still trading if the building was closing down due to the redevelopment going on - but no - a new owner living in Hong Kong had upped the rents so much people could not afford to trade there. The building has a200+ year lease. Same thing is happening here in a local hopping mall - rising prices are seeing all the businesses close - even those which seemed very successful.
I cannot see the point of being greedy and overpricing.
Washerwoman try a peak time train and you will have a different experience. You don't see refreshments because they can't get through the people sitting in the spaces between the carriages. Of course the ticket inspector can't get through either. Travelled from London to Newcastle without seeing one perhaps I shouldn't have bothered with a ticket!
I agree that it's sometimes possible to travel on different routes, if you're not bothered by changes and the time taken. However, with a few exceptions, the routes themselves are monopolies.
If I want to travel from Cambridge to Manchester, there are two routes - via London or via Peterborough, but they are totally different routes.
If I want to travel to London from my nearest station, there is only one feasible route.
Train companies can't just suddenly produce extra track, if demand increases, as a normal company would increase production.
I'm on Mars with you too then W11girl !Fairly regularly use trains up here in the north and a couple of weeks ago did a return trip to Scotland and changed x2 and all 3 trains clean comfy and ticket inspector and refreshments staff going backwards and forwards.That's my usual experience and way before this election its cross my mind how much better trains are now to the ones I remember.Also regularly visit DD cross country by train.However I am travelling off peak generally and not commuting at rush hour so probably not the best to comment.I can't imagine how horrendous the experience down in the South East has been for those trying to get to work during the recent Union dispute.
Obviousy, you're not living on Mars, but the majority of routes operate a monopoly.
Do you have more than one train company running the same routes on your line,*W11girl*?
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