London fire

I trying very hard wilma

Simples

Oh yes, I expect the pms fly thick and fast, and here we are sadly once again with a left wing dominated group shrieking at a poster they disagree with, being personal at every opportunity......telling me to go on holiday again, that I must be trolling, that I don't care about the Grenfell disaster and on and on and on.
What puerile debate from a bunch of supposedly mature women.

I did say a page or so back that this thread, should not be turned into a bicker thread, but have come to the conclusion that this is actually the preferred way for those who must dominate all threads and push a political agenda.

I don't share the views expressed by roses on many issues, including this fire. the point of news and politics, is to share information, discuss and maybe read something that confirms or challenges our individual opinions. To suggest she goes on holiday again because roses sees things differently is imo, unnecessarily personal and unpleasant.
The fire is a tragedy, particularly as it's clear it could and should have been prevented. I'm angry that governments and the council ignored concerns. The councils emergency plan was ineffective. It isn't good enough to say it was an unprecedented issue. That's the point of disaster plannng. Local authorities and individual public service organisations all have emergency plans. The leader of the council has seemed complacent when I've seen him interviewed

I agree iam64 I think it will be a severe case of cock-up rather than anything else, but in this case it meant untold deaths and misery.

You can say my opinion is as silly as you like Durham, i would expect nothing more or less from you than that. But the fact still remains that other GN members will now know that collusion takes between you to force another poster off a thread. I think it's called "a home goal". And from Rigby too, who is so anxious that posts should be proof read before hitting "send".

Shared information is allowed if one is in the far left group, if not stand by for the put downs , which is bullying but this isn't allowed to be said, perhaps this is an order sent out by PM too

LBC are pursuing a line which suggests that the renovations were never written off by the council

I think that any suggestion, however oblique, that rosesarered doesn't care about the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire is really revolting and a sign of a very prejudiced way of looking at people with a different outlook. I'm actually quite shocked.

We all knew these PMs went on, but it's good to see it confirmed in print.

Now that we have all expressed heartstopping shock and total outrage at everyones posts, how about we call a truce and settle back to discussing the topic?

You know it makes sense

Baggs. I find it quite ironic that whilst fairness; equality for all; openness and justice is being demanded on this thread, those same courtesies don't apply to any poster whose views don't correlate 100% with the main posters on this thread. Roses has been accused of being a troll; being stupid; told to go back on holiday and had pms sent to other posters to tell them to ignore her.
Not a lot of fairness; equality; openness and justice there is there?

I so agree Petra , we have something to thank Rigsby for , dropping a bloody big clanger.

Noticeable how Roses post about the PM is ignored by some

Circulating a PM encouraging members to ignore a particular member does sound an awful lot like covert bullying to me. How ironic that the author (presumably accidentally, perhaps not) sent it to the subject.
Nasty taste in the mouth.

Thank you Baggs ......in fact if anybody took the time to read all my posts on this page and the last, they would find nothing unreasonable in them, just that I am not jumping on the lambasting bandwagon.I have been a council tenant, have been in a house fire at night ( not on this scale, nothing like) and my point was that the community and church always rally round the quickest, councils are slower off the mark.Help is being given and I believe the survivors will be found homes and looked after.Others don't agree.......and this ensues.

This will be my last post for some hours as I am busy and also the point you make is not, in my opinion, worth any subsequent discussion Chewbacca.

Are you suggesting that no other groups with something in common ever PM one another? Are you suggesting that we may not support one another if attacked? How do you know people were 'instructed'? I rather doubt that was the intention. Don't you think the use of the word 'collusion' is inflammatory/goading and designed to provoke an argument?

I wonder What was the intention of your post - just to cause more trouble? It certainly doesn't seem conciliatory and GNHQs warning was to everyone although it seems one member went on regardless making personal attacks - as if it didn't apply to her. She had actually started the personal attacks earlier, on another thread so I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

If a group tried to bring that to an end by supporting one another in not replying to the increasingly personal attacks what is your problem with that? Are a group of people not allowed to encourage one another not to reply in kind when someone looses their temper with them - and the victims of a tragic event?

Anyone is entitled to a different point of view but this idea that there is some sort of organised left wing group on these threads is laughable. Perhaps those complaining about this should take a long hard look at why there is such a united point of view. It is a question of human compassion and of care for those who are suffering and of asking for justice for those who may not be able to do so themselves. rar may very well care about the people of Grenfell Tower, but what she seems to be saying is that everything is being done for them, in spite of a great deal of evidence that it is not. I would argue that nothing that is done for them, be it throwing money at them, even housing them in a million pound mansion in K&C is actually enough to make up for what they have lost. Any response will not compensate, the support provided should at least be the best that can be provided and all the evidence is that it is not.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing detracts from the fact that a terrible event has occurred which was avoidable and the official response to has been, at best, shoddy.

There has been plenty of comment from those who think everything was tickety boo on the organisational front. People who disagree with this analysis have not "shrieked" at anybody, nor has anyone been bullied. For goodness sake, stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

You were doing pretty well there GGMK2 until you got to the point about " encourage one another not to reply in kind". I've taken the time to read back over all the posts last night and I cannot see one post in which roses disagreed with main argument, vis a vis, victims of the fire must he treated well and quickly. She didn't agree in how was the best way to go about doing that. Nor did she accused anyone of being a troll. Nor did she call anyone stupid. Nor did she collude with others to ignore other posters. Pity you don't like the word "collude" because in this instance, it's appropriate. Whether you post again regarding this subject is neither here nor there, in my opinion. And I can have an opinion. And I will post them when I wish to.

What a cynical post from you ww 09.15.52
I have been discussing the OP all the time......unlike some.

Not laughable Trisher, bloody obvious , are you claiming only the far left group here are distressed .

There isn't a "Far left group" Anniebach except in your imagination-Reds under the beds again!

Thank you Chewbacca and that is exactly the case.
Naturally, others wish to 'move on' as they put it, and I agree but not for their reasons! For the reason that a tragedy like this should not be bickered about.

There is Trisher ,oh there is but who in the far left group is going to admit it

I'm ignoring that post as being personal rose

I wish the Reds would stay under the bed but sadly for this country they are banging on the door of No 10 , feeling our pain