The - we don't have a Labour thread, thread

Eloethan that is a good summing up.

The EU has not got a grip on the refugee/migrant problem as shown in the way Italy is now struggling too with the influx of people who see the EU countries as the road to a better future for them.

In the meantime, China is rebuilding 'The Silk Road' with Government money earned from the need - or greed - of the West for more and cheaper goods.

Oh dear

I would be interested to know which period the poster was living in Canada in order to assess whether I agree with her statement or not.

devongirl WTF?

rose But you miss the point as usual. If you give off the cuff opinions which you generally do, nothing wrong in that, but if they aren't evidence based then you can expect someone to challenge you for why that remark was made.

That is why rig was perfectly entitled to challenge the assertion that Canada is too left wing and the reasons given by the poster.

Primrose, glad to see you are back. Could you now answer Rigby's question as to why aggressive begging is left wing, please?

I'm quite happy to, and capable of, explaining any comment I make - and I have done it several times. But no one else seems to be interested in themselves doing that. I'm unclear why it's one special rule for me. I'm not special. I'm not different.

Political debate isn't trying to pick holes in a sentence in my books, calling opinions stupid or ignorant. We all have different life experiences that have shaped us.

Who made you the judge of the reliability and validity of my opinions? Rigby I thought we're all equal. Are we?

Oh don't be so ridiculous

If I want a knowledgeable perspective on a country ( sorry Gransnetters) I do not look on here for it.
If a poster on here has lived in a country and makes a few comments on the time they lived there, I do not 'take them to task' on it because I do not like what they are saying.
We can give our opinions on here, but even if we quote chapter and verse and name sources as if we were taking an Oxford degree, we could still differ from another person that has lived in the same country.
I suspect that if the same poster had said she found Canada to be right wing then she may have had nods of agreement, or no comments or insults aimed at her at
all.Just a thought.

Oh, the forum police are back...

No rose what you mean is that is all you can do if you are content with sound bites and opinion.

But to be able to give a knowledgable perspective you need to do more than that

Yes and that's all it is - a very very limited perspective - I'm learning nothing about Canada from her posts - I still want to know how aggressive begging is left wing.

All that anybody can do is to give their own perspectives on a country they have lived in Rigby...... including you and me.

I wasn't talking about your posts Rigby but the unwarranted posts from GGM2

I think the reliability and validity of her views on Canade would depend on a great deal more than when she lived in Canada.

Hurling insults at Primrose ? Over dramatic - much. I did ask her a question about what was left wing about aggressive begging and got no response. As for the idea that living in a country means you know it well and that you are best placed to tell us about it? How absolutely ridiculous - look st all the stupid, ignorant comments about the UK all over social media from people who live here.

Since governments change every few years, it would depend on when Primrose lived in Canada as to the prevailing shade of politics.

Simply hurling insults at Primrose ( although your preferred method GGM2)
Instead of asking her a question or debating the subject, is just childish.
Since Primrose knows Canada well I would think she is the best one on here to tell us about it.
Eloethan I thought your long post on the EU a good one, and the first I have seen having reservations about it ( from somebody who voted to Remain.)
The reservations you mentioned added to my own feelings of wanting to leave the EU.
Probably 95% of the posters on this thread are Remainers, but most seem to have accepted the message that we are leaving and from reading the posts, have accepted that Corbyn is just as committed to leaving as May.

It's many, many years since I visited Canada (late 1980s) but when I went all I seemed to meet were Brits who had fled there to avoid living in the dreadful Lefty place that the UK had become.

What were you there for, Primrose?

Actually it's more like gfery or whatever that word was.

No Primrose. I am sure your whatiferey will become legendary but I have decided, purely on a personal basis, to ignore it.

Canada is all sorts of things but left wing it ain't

and neither is Canada and Corbyn is not suggesting anything as 'left' as these social-democratic countries have decided is a good and happy way to run their countries

Perhaps you could explain what you mean by Canada is not too far left and how Corbyn is less left than that. A bit of clarity on 'good and happy' might help too.

Then I can express my opinions within the context you anticipate.

Also no idea about the significance of the amount of the property tax - no one tax tells you about the overall taxation system in a country and whether that makes it left or right

Right as in correct of course, but in this case as in political stance fairly obviously.