Brexit negotiations starting tomoorow

I'm really annoyed to read that Gisela Stuart is now saying the referendum should never have been held. Not only was she on here arguing the case for brexit and standing in front of 'that bus', but she then stands down as an MP.

I heard someone say the other day that with the narrowest of wins in the referendum they should have gone for the narrowest of Brexits, i.e., as close to what we have now as possible. I could never understand why such a small majority should be seen to mean 'the country' wanted such and extreme Brexit as they originally went for when nearly half didn't want to leave at all.

Just watching "Brexit means Brexit"

There are undoubtedly more and more MPs who are having sleepless nights now that they are actually beginning to understand the dire implications

I'm sick of hearing that lie. It is based on the total number of votes for the two biggest parties but I'm pretty sure many, if not most Labour voters, and many Tory voters cast their votes for other reasons.

Mind you, it would have been better if Labour had not caved in as much as they did on Article 50 and had less of the brexit nonsense in their manifesto. Brexit may be likely to happen, but it is not inevitable and the "brexit at any price" policy of May is suicidal.

I've noticed that the most outspoken brexiters always seem to be angry, issuing threats about what will happen if "brexit is thwarted" and carping on about the "will of the people".

The more people understand about the likely consequences, the fewer people want to jump of that cliff. How bad would things have to be before these folk see sense?

Interesting and flawed remark by May when asked by a channel 4 reporter about her mandate for leaving the single market and customs union

Reply- 80% support it

What!!!!!!! More lies Maybot.

That is the glory of the transparency we are getting from the EU.

May hasn't quite cottoned on yet that we all read!!

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/06/12-cartoons-that-perfectly-sum-up-the-tory-approach-to-brexit-negotiations/

I love the way that she is trying to pretend that it was always her intention to let EU citizens stay here, and it's the EU-27 who are being obstructive.

Tusk appears to have told May her offer the EU nationals in UK is not good enough and would leave them in a worse position - so if she wants the negotiations to go ahead there will need to be a rethink.

It is perhaps to do with ECJ.

Exactly cold

Blimey I must stop agreeing with you but you are making sense

TM's offer does for EU citizens does not even match the offer that the EU made for UK citizens living in the EU several weeks ago. British citizens are becoming concerned that the EU may reduce their offer to match
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/eu-expats-condemn-theresa-may-pathetic-offer-on-brexit-rights

You would think that given the fact that the Government has taken a whole year to prepare for these meetings that they would have clearer and more detailed proposals

Well done Maybot for trying, but it appears that the EU is feeling frustrated like us because she has not produced the detail, and they suspect her offer to immigrants which include UK citzens tries to take away some rights from these folk.

Believe it EU! The Tories are not big on people's rights, so stand your ground Brussels!!

Yes Tegan absolutely right. All of which proves you should never never have referendum. Thank you DC.

I wonder how many people who voted for brexit actually gave a thought about how it would affect stability in Ireland? Or the inhabitants of Gibraltar? Or EU workers in this country etc etc. Can't help but feel it was very few.

More questions on the referendum, just like we should have had?

Hmmm! Not so sure that's a solution. There are many in Northern Ireland who want to remain in the EU, but don't want to be part of a united Ireland.

I think that would be fair enough but maybe the fact of a referendum would not go down well in some quarters..

Perhaps Ireland should have a referendum on whether they wish to be a united Ireland and stay in the EU.

I am really worried about the stability in NI - it would be dreadful if it was undermined when so many people worked hard and compromised - which could not have been easy. It would be awful to risk going back to those awful years for the people living there.

its a toss up? Read somewhere that they wouldnt answer the phone for 36hrs. With friends like those..........No accounting for taste is there?

So, whitewave, do we want the DUP to make a deal with the Tories?
What a quandary!

Question Time should be interesting tonight. Gina Miller on it.

Good

So sorry this is on skwawkbox. They get all the good stories first.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/22/breaking-ireland-will-block-brexit-deal-if-maydup-deal-goes-ahead/