Brexit negotiations starting tomoorow

Well said, Tusk. I want that played at my funeral.

He also said "Politics without dreams would be a nightmare."

I agree with that, too, but I don't think there's a song.

?You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one?

Another New Statesman article about Brexit and free movement.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/free-movement-isnt-free-truth-about-eu-immigration

I can't recall Brexiteers telling us this, but they must have known.

Personally I don't think that this government has a mandate to walk away, and will have to get parliamentary agreement for such a drastic step

Saya what I've thought all along, Welshwife, especially about the no deal better than a bad deal.
Not looking forward to 2019.

I found this article on theNew Statesman site - written by a man who was a negotiator for the UK to the EU so would hopefully know what he is talking about.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/06/former-eu-negotiator-uks-chance-good-brexit-deal-looks-slim

What's even worse is that the workers are staying away because the country is seen as racist.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

I heard it too Welshwife and Rigby. I'm afraid I couldn't have said schadenfreude as my mouth was hanging open.

Welshwife I heard that interview as well - I think Schadenfreude sums up my reaction.

Luckylegs she did not win. She didn't loose but she didn't win either. She did, indeed, have the largest number of seats and therefore, as the incumbent PM, first dibs at forming a Parliament but that is not the same as winning. She then has to get the vote on the Queens Speech - that is why she is doing deals with the DUP. There has been some thought that this deal may not be legal though - we shall see.

She would need more than all the other parties combined to have 'won'. She may not be able even to hold her own party together on some things; that is why she has "taken all the things off that many objected too"; not because she listened but because she knew she would not get them through. Pragmatic rather the listening. If she could not get such "things" through Parliament, there may be a vote of confidence which she might loose.

The Labour Party would then get the chance to form a government and if they couldn't we would have another election.

One of the soft fruit growing farmers has now realised he is likely to go out of business if the EU workers are not allowed free access - but he did vote Leave to get something back for the UK that they never lost - Sovereignty.

Hard Brexit = leave the single market and customs union without trying to negotiate access.

Most of the hard right loons want exactly that

I must say, I have never heard said we are to have a hard Brexit, where has that come from. A deal that would be workable has to be reached, which would indicate a soft approach. May has listened to people, she made a mess of calling the election, so has taken all the things off that many objected too. Isn't that the way forward, not to dig your heels in but listen to people. Most of you will say she had no alternative, but she had, however aggrieved people feel about it Conservative won, not Labour, they have to get the best deal they can. I listened to a farmer whose whole work force was Romanian, he looked after them well, the jobs were offered in the uk only one person turned up, for just one day and left. It would be wrong to deprive the workers their right to work, so that needs sorting.

Two Japanese banks moving their European headquarters from London to Frankfurt.

Mrs May is not on the official agenda for the EU meeting today - what is on the agenda is the procedure for reallocating the Medicines Agency and the Banking Authority when UK leaves the EU.

All our EU agencies are being picked over by countries hoping to acquire them

You gov - over 66% think all parties should be involved in the Brexit negotiations.

It was brilliant. My grandson hurt himself laughing at that interview today.

He gets more embarrassing by the day. He was being interviewed about the paucity of the QS and he started talking about car insurance!!

Errmm, I don't think I have much faith in the UK's Foreign Secretary:

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/its-not-a-two-ronnies-sketch-boris-johnson-flounders-in-carcrash-radio-interview-a3570631.html

How about the customs union dbDB?

fullfact.org/europe/whats-difference-between-single-market-and-free-trade-agreement/

The EU is not just the single market.
You have still not said why you want to leave the single market.
Boris thinks we can leave the EU and stay in the single market.

Why do you want us to pay more to import and export goods?

dbDB77 - I'm sorry you think my comment was aimed at you. Of course it wasn't!

Cameron, when talking of the hard right Brexiters in his party called the swivelled eyed loons. They are the ones I am talking about.