Piers Morgan vs Tommy Robinson?!

Well looking on the good side you could deduce that TR was trying to tone down his usual language& opinions in an attempt to make his views more palatable . I don't agree with his views or actions but many many people do..... so maybe just maybe Piers Morgan missed an opportunity to understand & find out what the people of our country are up against in terms of in tolerance / predjudices in our mixed society , it cannot be ignored that many people have concerns, & because these aren't being acknowledged &. Discussed it is leaving a space for prejudice to thrive.

PS re the argument about it not being islamophobic to criticise aspect of Islam, I repeat that because I think it's true. Why do I think it's true? Because Muslims are not a homogenous mass who all think and believe the same things, same as Christians aren't, or any other religious group you care to name.

And because I don't hate or fear Muslims any more than I hate or fear Christians. As usual I'm distinguishing between people and ideas/belief systems.

I'm all ears.

OK, dd, I accept what you say about Shireen Q and thank you for the information. I mean that.

Now, please will you read the thread I linked to and tell me what, in that thread, is extreme? I really would appreciate thst because I read it and didn't think there was anything extreme in it.

I haven't heard much of what Tommy Robinson has said, either in the past or recently, but what I have heard that him say hasn't been extreme. Until recently I regarded him in the same light as you and almost everyone else does.

Do you, or does anyone, see my problem? It would appear from what you say that I don't recognise extremism when I read it. So please point out exactly what SQ said in that Twitter thread that is extreme or what TR said in the interview that is extreme. I am open to persuasion based on what either of them has said during the times specified not based on who they are or claim to be.

Deal?

By the way Baggs, why are you repeating the argument Tommy Robinson himself made in a video adddressed to his "enemies"?

I've read quite a bit that Shireen Qudosi. It's written in the style of all extremists who twist facts to suit their own agenda.

I'm afraid I didn't think Piers Morgan was rude. He tried to get Tommy Robinson to answer the questions and not go off on one of his rants.

Shireen Qudosi is an American activist, who has been banned from Facebook for her extremist posts. She's an ardent Trump supporter. I don't give what she writes much credence.

Tommy Robinson has been trying to "sell" himself to Americans, just as the IRA once did.

As far as I'm concerned, he should be treated in the same way as all hate-mongerers. He incites violence against Muslims and you're being ingenuous - or don't know much about him - if you can't see that.

You too, dd, re who not what.

Once again, you are going for the who instead of the what, dj. Read what she has written. Troll or not, it makes sense and speaks to the issue. People are not islamophobic for criticising some islamic ideas just as people aren't anti-christian for criticising some ideas propounded by the RC church.

I saw some of the so-called interview. PM's interrupting was v rude.

Can people quote something TR said during that 'interview' that was unacceptable? And if anything was unacceptable, why it was? "Because Tommy Robinson said it" isn't a reason. There's your chance to defeat the argument Shireen puts forward. Challenge.

She's American, so probably doesn't know much about the EDL.

Did you actually watch the interview Baggs?

"Shireen Qudosi" looks like a troll.

Read this thread by a Pakistani Muslim woman, Shireen Qudosi. She maintains Tommy Robinson is saying what needs saying. Link is to the first tweet in a thread of twenty-six of Shireen's plus other people's contributions. twitter.com/shireenqudosi/status/877621722526007297

It wasn't an interview. In an interview people are not constantly interrupted. Proper interviewers listen and want to listen to those they interview.

I quite often watch Piers Morgan on breakfast tv, I think he talks sense a lot of the time. But I had to switch channels yesterday during that interview, the way they were going hammer and tongs at each other, and shouting over each other was just too much!

www.goodreads.com/quotes/793129-the-unspeakable-in-pursuit-of-the-uneatable

I knew there was a quotation at the back of my mind at the thought of Piers Morgan vs Tommy Robinson of the EDL and it has come to me now

"The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable"

Yes. He might be an arrogant sod but that doesn't always make him wrong.

Upsetting the pro gunners is good imo, wish perhaps a more diverse range of people would do it.

always very full of himself
or, as DM would have said 'He thinks he's the Big I Am'

He's back now. He upset the powerful pro-gun lobby in America.

although I wish the media would stop giving Tommy Robinson oxygen.

Well, quite if he is as nasty as has been portrayed in this thread.

As for Piers Morgan
Piers Morgan, charisma, same sentence?
Quite again!!
I thought he had gone to America

Is he on the telly now?

Personally, as I have not seen much of Piers Morgan on TV, I have no problem with him, but still sniggering inwardly at the naughtiness/cleverness of the "I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue " team when playing the "new definitions" round and coming with an answer that involved Piers but was cut from the broadcast version.

Sounds like a conversation between two eminently undesirable individuals.
Piers Morgan, charisma, same sentence? ??

Yes I think I have heard him speak before & thought he was an obnoxious person . I found it very interesting how he was trying to come across as having reasonable ideals whilst trying to play down the darker side & Piers was unable to stay as calm & clever as he normally is in an interview .

PS. Tommy Robinson isn't a spokesperson for the EDL. As with most extremist groups, they couldn't even get on with each other and he was kicked out.

ITV has blocked the video on YouTube, but it might be available on iplayer.

Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) is a racist and a jumped-up twerp. He founded the EDL and keeps re-inventing himself. Unfortunately, his followers are of the same ilk.

Thousands of them are complaining that Piers Morgan talked over him. Good for Piers, because Tommy wouldn't answer questions directly and wanted to go off on his irrelevant rants.

Piers Morgan has gone up in my estimation, although I wish the media would stop giving Tommy Robinson oxygen.

Apologies for missed out words hope it still makes sense

Jalima yes it is worth watching in the light of what has been happening in the country.Piers is usually a strong even handed interview think Jeremy Paxman but with more charisma, so watch him this morning was particularly interesting Tommy Robinson is thought of as stirring up racism but was trying hard to control how & what he said it shows what divisions there are in some parts of our country