London Fire -2

Who now will admit to having said that health and safety regulations are too strict?

Those poor souls from Camden are being treated like cattle.

dj I can remember many comments about unnecessary bureaucracy and regulation particularly when we leave Europe.

So I wonder now how many people thought they were voting for a low tax, low welfare, low regulation economy? Because that is what individuals like Dacre, Murdoch, Banks and Farage as well of a few Tories are fighting for.

Better than being burnt to death.
I hope the inquiry will tell us when, how and why the rules were changed.
Where was the Building Research Establishment in all this?

This is interesting. A public health inspector who said they used to be able to decide whether to inspect places. Now it's just retro-active, when people complain.
They have shut down housing because of fire risk, but were usually called in because the houses were damp or had other problems. Nobody sees a fire risk normally. The people of Grenfell Tower did, so should have been listened to, instead of being seen as nuisances and threatened.

www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/jun/24/environmental-health-inspectors-council-budget-cuts-disaster

It's a question of austerity.
It's the same with trading standards, everything done on complaint rather than looking at a problem as a whole.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/26/establishments-grenfell-blame-spreading-is-blatantly-painfully-false/

Interesting post Granny23 and yes, we should have the same stringent tests and regs as Scotland, and hopefully it will be looked at now with new eyes as it were.

ww nobody who wants less regulation wants them for serious matters such as fire and safety regulations.

The government did. It has just done a panicked u-turn

In fact it is still saying that private landlords can choose

Are there any private very high rise buildings? If so, do they have sprinkler systems or any other fire precautions? It may not just be a matter of cladding.

The government wanted less regulation for new build schools - it removed the requirement for sprinklers. Now backtracked of course but bless - I don't suppose they really understood the implications the first time round. #safeintheirhsnds

How many people complained about there being too much elf and safety?
You were one of them, I am sure, roses.

Perhaps if Tory (landlord) mp's hadn't voted down proposals to make all rented properties fit for human habitation, we wouldn't need to ask such questions.

We should be able to take for granted that L.A. housing is safe and that appropriate. rules should be applied in privately rented properties but we can't.

The combination of money-grabbing landlords and a Tory government determined to cut regulation has brought us to this.

I appreciate that many good landlords are well aware of the safety of their tenants and don't include them in blanket criticism.

rose our argument is that the government was, until last week preparing to water down all these rules, it still has no intention of forcing them on private landlords.

We aren't arguing about sprinklers etc. They should come with the health and safety rules if they were properly enforced

Breaking news, the cladding firm have ended global sales. As it should do.

Does anyone know when English rules deviated from Scottish?

Here's something which puzzles me; it has been reported that there may have been illegal immigrants living in the flats, and they have been asked to come forward. If that is the case, who was paying their rent, as , contrary to what some sections of the press would have us believe, they do not receive free houses, and cannot claim benefits?

If there were illegal immigrants , they were probably paying their rent by working in shit awful conditions being exploited appallingly

They could have been living with legal immigrants, friends who were there legally? Sleeping on the settee or on the floor?
Nobody knows whether there were any illegal immigrants there. It's something put out by the MSM just to demonise people.

There is such appalling incompetence they haven't a clue who was in the flats, so to suggest that they were full of illegal immigrants is ridiculous

It's a good detractor isn't it?

I doubt this cladding question has much to do with any government ww as high rises have cladding in some cases from way back ( possibly when there was a Labour Government.) This fire proves that in certain conditions the whole block can go up, so cladding has to be looked at again and assessed.This present government wasn't going to water down any health and safety requirements to cladding as far as I am aware.

Who has suggested the flats were full of illegal immigrants? Of course there may have been some, but the council wants any (now homeless) illegal immigrants....if there are any from Grenfell Tower to come forward and not be scared.

Well then rose you aren't up to date visa a visa watering down regulations.

I'll repeat it as you seem to have difficulty understanding it.

The government did a panicked u- turn on its plan to water down fire regulations after Grenfell Tower. However it still has no plans to force private landlords to follow the fire regulations