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No it isn't a red herring trisher, it's one of the reasons why the true number of fatalities may never be known.

Well you don't me trisher so you can doubt all you like. Fortunately I don't need to insult people or question their humanity either directly or indirectly to express my opinion.

I wouldn't be. You'd beat me to it hands down.
How many terrorist attacks have there been where the perpetrators were foreign?
Most of them are British. It's nothing to do with illegal immigrants.
Stop using that as an excuse to do nothing about the tenants of Grenfell.

Really dj is that the best you can do? I don't why you presume you have the moral high ground and are the only one upset by the deaths at Grenfell especially when you appear to be unwilling or unable to have a reasonable debate.

What a nasty post "You might be able to find out how many illegal immigrants have burnt to death if you want to(o), or how many are hiding from the home office".

Ironically if God forbid there was another terrorist attack in this country, under this Gov. and the perpetrator(s) were found to be here illegally, I bet you'd be one of the first on GN to attack TM et al for a lack of security.

If they are what you describe as "illegals" Smileless2012 and have survived they will have probably already contacted their relatives and reassured them. Certainly there will be others who will not have heard from relatives for a long time, but if those relatives are somewhere in a camp, in hiding, have died in the fire, or died in other circumstances they may never know. Asking about illegals in this instance is a red herring. Unless of course you are concerned with all the displaced people who are somewhere unsafe and in danger,but somehow I doubt that.

Anniebach

www.mysociety.org/2017/06/19/grenfell-tower-how-mysociety-can-help/

Lots of freedom of information requests on here.
You might be able to find out how many illegal immigrants have burnt to death if you want to, or how many are hiding from the home office.
Good luck with that.

It would be good if you showed as much concern about those who are here legally.

I agree with Petra and Smileless .

I would have thought it was obvious what I was on about dj. If they are immigrants who've been given permission to stay or have applied for permission then they'd be known to the Home Office, as they should be.

I've no idea if the Home Office knows all about me or not, I'm not an immigrant so probably not. Why isn't it possible to have a reasonable discussion on these political threads without some using ridiculous, emotive and inflammatory rhetoric?

"Run(ing) out of a burning building" etc. etc. If you were one of the poor victims of this tragedy and were here legally or applying to stay, you'd have already contacted the Home Office trisher so wouldn't need to do so.

I do "give a shit" if people are here illegally but that does not mean I have no compassion and/or understanding for the terrible situation the survivors and bereaved find themselves in.

People voicing their concerns regarding illegal immigrants doesn't mean they're obsessed with immigration GG and no, if they've sadly died they wont be contacting anyone; so obvious it didn't require stating. That said, not knowing for certain whether they were in the building of indeed even in the country may mean that they have relatives abroad who'll never know what became of them.

I'm sure they know what we're referring too petra, just arguing for arguments sake because a different opinion isn't welcome.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/07/after-grenfell-social-tenants-across-london-who-feel-they-are-being-ignored

This is how social housing tenants feel across London.

I don't give a shit if they are illegal, British, Syrian, refugees, or aliens. They have gone through a traumatic experience, they deserve compassion and understanding. Not their papers and status checking.

Difficult if they are dead, petra.

durhamjen
Both Smileless and myself were referring to the issue of people not going to the authorities because of their illigle status.
But I'm sure you knew that.

But then you have sympathy and understanding for the situation these folks are in trisher. On the other hand you might have been in the tower block and now be dead - which would make it difficult to contact anyone, even people who are obsessed with immigration

publicmatters.org.uk/2017/06/24/the-americanisation-of-the-nhs-happening-right-here-right-now/

NHS, Wilma.

Before the fire

If I had run out of a burning building in my night clothes, had people in hospital still recovering from smoke effects and burns, was living in a hotel room desperately trying to collect together enough things to live a reasonable life and trying to reassure my children that they can sleep safely at night, the very last thing I would consider would be contacting the Home office or any other authority. Getting through the day would be hard enough.

What are you on about, smileless?
Just because they lived in Grenfell doesn't mean they should be known to the home office, does it?
Does the home office know all about you?

Should have put 'an application to be here'

I agree with petra. If some of the victims haven't already contacted the Home Office it's reasonable to question why. I also think that checks should be made.

There's a lot of understandable anger at the time it's going to take to ascertain just how many lost their lives and doubtful if the true number will ever be known. There's no way that can happen if some of the victims and survivors shouldn't have been there to begin with because they were in the country illegally.

Waiting to hear if an application to be is going to be accepted isn't the same as never having made an application.

Yes, Wilma, horrific, isn't it.
NHS is definitely in the same state, being offered to the US insurance companies, so their friends can make money out of it.

Have you seen that the company that put the alarms in is being investigated for Camden alarms not working properly?

I've just read the George Monbiot article and honestly it took my breath away. You couldn't make this stuff up, it's like a Jeffrey Archer novel.

To think that as the building was burning, the Red Tape Iniative was meeting to discuss removing the very regulations that cover materials like the cladding on the building.

I think the article also puts paid to the idea that this government isn't going to cherry pick which EU laws converted into UK law are retained. How many other government backed bodies have been established “to grasp the opportunities” that Brexit offers?

I know .petra, it was that dislekia fink which cosed me to type organism but meant orgasmic , I think

So those interviewed with volenteer across the screen are not telling the truth, why do they not say they are victims and why do they speak of the victims as if they were not one themselves .