May blocked granting rights to EU citizens *before* she was PM

Not true, roses. You should listen and watch.
They will lose the only voting rights they have at the moment, to vote in local elections.
They will also lose the protection of the European Courts of Justice.

"The UK offer on the rights of EU nationals makes clear that after Brexit they will lose their right to bring in a spouse to live in Britain without meeting an £18,600 minimum income threshold and possibly their future voting rights in British local elections. They will also lose the protection of the European court of justice, which will no longer have jurisdiction over citizens’ rights in the UK."

Three important rights that they are losing. They will not have the same rights as British citizens, will they?

When May was asked at the press conference about Osborne's accusation she replied that that wasn't her recollection .... a rather weak response and a sure sign of it being true!

If you're accused of something you would surely deny it with more vigor.

durhamjen you must be happy though, as your own relatives are guaranteed to have all their rights.....as I always thought that they would do.

theconversation.com/still-too-many-holes-in-theresa-mays-promise-to-eu-citizens-80016

May still hasn't said what rights they will have.
She said she doesn't want families to be split, but they already are, as you can't bring your family over unless you are earning a certain amount. £35,000, I think.

Davis is an embarrassment because he isn't the brightest spark in the box. The EU have already said that they wish that we chosen someone with a bit more savvy. Just watch him on the Marr show

Whitewave Why is Davis an embarrassment?

George Osbourne is game playing ...obnoxious! Theresa May says that is certainly not her recollection of events which may well suggest that she pointed out that looking at all the implications rather than sound biting (David C was good at soundbitibg!) might be wisest. I don't think she is mean spirited!

If she did block

jackofkent.com/2017/06/the-significance-of-the-uks-climb-down-today-on-brexit-sequencing/

David Allen Green.

David A Green a FT reporter, lawyer and blogger

Says you cannot believe anything coming from the government about EU negotiations

Yes I saw that dj Hammond to be interim apparently. What a mess

Interesting that Davis didn't rule out standing for PM after May on the Marr show.

Dimbo Davis is the biggest embarrassment. Although saying that it is a government of lightweights and dodgy characters.

Some 'pundit' sort of people still seem to think that we need austerity to pay off the debt and has been shown on here that is not true at all. Perhaps some people on here should be explaining things to them - the ones who understand and -and can remember!- how the economy etc works.

The big problem is that even a year after the Brexit vote TM and the government cannot articulate a clear and detailed plan of what they want the UK's post Brexit relationship with the EU to be. The government seem to speak only in vague platitudes.

The rest of the EU are starting to find the UK's behaviour very odd and want them to get on with the Brexit process (many thought that TM was unhinged to delay the process just after starting the clock by calling the snap election).

I think the basic problem is that the Conservative party is still divided internally regarding what sort of Brexit they want to negotiate - even during the referendum some were arguing for a Norway-style (soft) Brexit whereas others argued for hard.

What is striking is how little evidence May shows at listening to the voter.

Nothing could have been made clearer at this election than what the voter wants is an end to austerity and a raise in living standards.

But no- on she trots - still twittering about reducing migration as being the priority.

It is always the case and governments generally re cognise it that the pound in peoples pockets will top everything else.

May is so weak and being tied to the corpse of a hard Brexit is draining her authority.

Maybots fair and generous offer is rapidly going the same way as S&S

We only have to put up with her because the Tories are shit scared to get rid of her.

TM seems to think that being a "bloody difficult woman" is some sort of achievement and expects anyone on the other side of a negotiating table to cower and concede. Some hope! This is the polar opposite of an effective negotiating strategy.

She is very weak, and has been weakened by the election designed to "strengthen her hand", putting our country in a much more vulnerable position.

The sort of deal we might end up with is likely to be one no patriotic Brit would ever want - and we should have the chance to reject it and stay in the EU, albeit in a much weaker position than we are now, but better than jumping off that cliff.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/eu-expats-condemn-theresa-may-pathetic-offer-on-brexit-rights

I suppose EU feels that its citizens need a court they can go to for any dispute it may have with the U.K. Govt.

The Human rights Court is not an EU court but a European one so they might be in play too.

If the UK wants to trade with The EU it will need to abide by the rules and regulations for manufacturing and keeping/packaging etc so will not be able to ditch those. Much of the 'red tape' Boris and Mike talk of getting rid of would mean no trade with Europe.

What we need to watch is that things are not ditched for the sake of it or things which will impinge on working people by making their rights a lot less.

Don't worry mamie be patient she'll give in.

What I didn't understand was why she said she hoped the EU would match her offer when their far superior offer was published for all to see a couple of months ago.
I am hugely pleased and relieved by what the EU wants to offer us UK citizens in the EU. We do need Theresa May to reassure us about our health cover and pension increases but she hasn't seen fit to do that yet.

I don't think anyone has ever said that she is callous in wanting reciprocal rights.
What I don't understand is why UK citizens in the EU are not seen as EU nationals, which is what they are until we leave.
Why does May not agree with the other EU-27 countries?
Why does she want things to be different for UK citizens?

It is often said or implied that that Theresa May is callous, vacuous in her wanting ' Reciprocal Rights ' for the EU Nationals in the UK and obviously likewise the UK Nationals living in the EU.

Theresa May also wants the UK once it has left the EU to reinstate the UK Courts to have total control of our Sovereign Nation and not the Eurooean Courts as obviously we will not be member of the EU.

Can anybody define why the EU side do not find this agreeable?

As far as I can see it by not making an agreement ASAP they are in fact saying we still want control as if you are still a member.

The latter point is where the issue is evident and not accepted over the Single Market also. How the UK can stay in the Single Market if it does not abide by the 4 Pillars / Freedoms of the Free Movement of Goods, Services,People and Capital has never been explained to me yet. The EU state it is ' none negotiable ', ' no cherry picking '.

Negotiations are 2 sided but I don't see that there is much in the way of common sense coming from the EU either.