Why difference in views between young and old ?

Come on, roses if anyone thinks a rucksack may have an explosive device in it, the last thing they will do is cart it around to Lost Property. They'd be more likely to tell the nearest staff member and clear off.

My son is forever leaving stuff on trains, he is scatty and forgetful and I'm amazed at the fairly insignificant bits of kit and clothing that he retrieves from Lost Property.

Child benefit for first child £20.70 a week, for subsequent children £ 13.70 per week.

My point was that we should not expect the government to look after us. It is a choice whether or not to have a family, not something you do regardless and let the taxpayer pick up the bill.

And I did make the point that there should be more relevant training for jobs, so that there would be no need for a young person to be unemployed, even if it means leaving home and living in hostel accomodation or as a lodger, as I had to do when I left school.

Taxing the rich more, which I don't disagree with, is not going to be enough to pay for caring for people who eat and drink themselves into ill health, or supporting and housing endless numbers of people, paying for every old person who needs care even if they have half a million in the bank or a house they will never be well enough to return to.

What is unfair on the young, is squandering money needlessly so that there is not enough left to look after the sick and the truly vulnerable and helpless, encouraging them to get into debt by studying subjects that will not lead to a job, allowing them to think that they can have all the material comforts they want without working hard to get them.

Do people think that money grows on trees - that the government only has to print more? If taxes are raised too high, the richest will simply move out of the country.
I don't know what the answers are, but I feel that there is something fundamentally wrong in our society, we have stopped caring and expect the state to look after every aspect of our lives from cradle to grave. It is not sustainable whoever lives at no 10.

dd it may have been handed in ( the rucksack) in case it had an explosive device in it!
Everbody is wary of rucksacks now.

isn't it sad that as some people get older they forget what it was like to be young ,all the snide remarks about young people on this site makes me feel very disenchanted with people my own age.Young people nowadays are far better informed than most of us were at that age and we voted,or at least I did ,we protested about things we felt strongly about and in my family at least no one tried to tell me my opinion didn't count ,wasn't valid...because I hadn't lived long enough.I just read on another thread someone who says people shouldn't get the vote until they are 25 an donly then if they have worked and contributed ...talk about going backwards .No doubt a brexit voter who believes the England was a better place when it had slums and children with rickets and TB rife among the poor .Thank god(if there is one) I grew up in a more enlightened community who listen to what all generations have to say ,because its the future we're voting for and lets be honest most of us wont be around to see the damage WE'VE caused so we should take the lead from the next generation.

Well, here's an anecdote from the London Tube, which might restore some faith in Britishness.

I have a cousin who moved to Canada when she was 8. She visited us last year with her husband. He left his rucksack by mistake on the Tube. Naturally, he went into a panic attack, because it had his passport, money and travel vouchers. He rang London Transport and somebody had handed the rucksack to Lost Property - Wow! He couldn't believe that Londoners were so honest and thinks we are all wonderful!

Same here Deedaa. My DD is 24 and has a serious boyfriend (could be the "one") who is a scientist. They are seriously disillusioned with the UK and are looking to emigrate to Canada. If she and her boyfrend become permanent, there will be no problem at all. Both of them are the kind of young people Canada wants.

I don't particularly want her to go, but I believe the job of a parent is to teach offspring to fly and my child is ready to fly. I've discussed the situation with her and the main reason is that she used to feel proud of her country, particularly education and healthcare, but she's disillusioned with what's happened over the last seven years. Brexit was the last straw!

Perhaps I should add that my American SiL is very Anglicised and only too pleased to admit it! He was very shocked when two of his brothers came over on holiday and tried to talk to strangers on the Tube! Not like us British

In this election I was mainly voting against Brexit, against fox hunting and against grammar schools. And against Headmistress May telling me she knows what I want.I just worry about what sort of future my children and grandchildren will have now.

No she wouldn't at all - she talks about how 'English' her father is and how people are surprised when they see him!!! She actually says how she always thought she was English when small as she had only English friends - that is due to where she lived. If I thought she would be upset I would not have said it.

Yes ww you must be right. For some reason I jumped to Artificial Insemination and couldn't get it out of my head!
Pity some posters can't have intelligence (artificial or not) inserted in the same way!

would she consider it an insult welshwife

Welshwife
Why the need to say that your DGSs partner is 'very Anglicised'
Does she know that you think she's 'very Anglicised'

mcem. I think the AI means artificial intelligence.

I think I have become more left wing too. I was never really right wing as I belonged to the Guide movement and also went to church and both of those institutions teach looking out for other people and thinking of others etc which is what much of socialism in its broadest form also does.

I too am angry at what I think this Brexit will do to everyone - including those who voted leave, However it heartens me to see younger people having more open minds and looking at society in general.

People are now selfish in many ways and only thinking of themselves. There will always people who are lazy and want to exploit the system and that I think should be stopped but there are many who are unable to look out for themselves. Tax is the fairest and easiest way to address some of the inequalities of people - we pay less tax now than we used to - I am sure I paid much higher income tax years ago and before VAT we had purchase tax which could be quite high. It must be easier to pay some benefits through the tax system - it may well make it easier for people to understand.

I think it is about time we had a far better system to aid young people who have been in care. We are losing a whole pool of talent by not allowing them to continue to be educated or trained and to show them that whatever hardships and bad things they have had happen to them there are people out there who will support or help them. I only wish I had realised about this problem and the way they were treated when I was younger as would have done more research and tried to do some small thing to help - be a surrogate grandma or something to give some form of refuge when needed. I have never seen anything to address this problem in a party manifesto - has anyone else?

I have become more left wing as I have got older contrary to popular convention from young conservative in my early 20's to a Jeremy Corbyn supporter in my early 50's ! as I have gone through life I have experienced hardship and struggles and these allowed me to look at life from a different place than the comfortable priveledge that coloured my early views. I am now in a comfortable place myself but I want others to be in the same place with me not pushing others aside to line my own pocket!! I now work for a free legal advice charity and see everyday the misery and injustice of selfish Tory policies!???

niggly your post oozes with the contempt you and others are accused of

Picking out just one of starbird? 's points - 'people should be taught to be more responsible for themselves and families'.
How? Who'll do the teaching?
(Also - didn't understand 'due to Al and other changes'.)

The day after the Grenfell Tower tragedy, I watched a number of people being interviewed. Many of them were (I would guess) under 30 and/or of non-white ethnic origin. I was really struck by how articulate and what thoroughly decent human beings they were, although I don't know why I would have expected any different.

If people on here think that their posts don't show contempt and arrogance, I suggest they take a step back, because that's certainly the impression some of them give.

so what would you suggest that under 25's do if they cant find work ? What about the young people who have been in care all their lives...should they just be thrown on the streets ? There IS money for everything we need its just being squandered by the tory government who have DOUBLED the debt in 7 years ,when austerity was supposed to enable them to pay it off...so what exactly HAVE they done with that money? Cancel their vanity projects ,get rid of Trident use the peoples money FOR the people who need it .Remember WE pay THEIR wages .Might be time they remembered it too !

Do. You think some older people are not being used then niggly!? I know of course that older people should know better.
Many of the young are far from being used - mist of them do not watch lots of TV or read stupid paper headlines and stop there. I think some if them get to discuss things in some school subjects too and do research.

There's a thought annie!!!!! Nobody on here has contempt for younger people, I think sympathy and perhaps anger at them being so shamelessly used by people who should know better is a better description.

I was very surprised at how knowledgable DGS was - we have never discussed politics until the Referendum. Listening to him was just like listening to my son (his uncle) or my father. It is obvious that many of his friends feel much the same and discuss things. They are all mid twenties and all have done - or are doing- further qualifications after a degree. Naturally they are well up with technology and are widely read.
They feel very much for PEOPLE who are not as fortunate as them and are in lots of cases working with foreigners and they have friends across a number of cultures. Most of them are also widely travelled and have visited a wide range of countries and not just gone to places to sit on a beach. Capital cities and museums are on the lists as well as travelling on public transport in different countries. Air B+B has I know given DGS and his partner -a beautiful very Anglicised Indian young woman - a great insight to how lovely many foreign people are.
Maybe having open eyes and minds has something to do with the opinions they have now got. They went to University when the fees were not so high as they are now but most of their friendship group had worked in holidays etc and saved to pay much of their living expenses so although they have some debt it is nothing like as high as the younger graduates. There group mainly have qualifications which are useful to us all too - engineering, law, genetic research biochemistry etc.

Lots of reasons people have ideas about other people and how they should be treated and it is not all to do with age - according to some of these surveys and conclusions about voting and age etc I am only about 25! If only it were true!

I'm alarmed at the contempt and arrogance shown by many of the Grumpnetter generation for younger people.

Can it be by the age of 45 they have more life experience under different governments than 18 year olds

starbird How do people apply for this generous child allowance? I've never heard of it.

The boring bit...

All the research shows that 45 (or thereabouts) is the age when opinions change.

More people below that age voted Remain/support Labour. More people above that age voted Leave/support Tory. There's an almost spooky mirror image.

Unfortunately, for Remainers/Labour supporters, the demographic bulge means there are more over 45 year old than younger voters.

Of course, that doesn't mean that all people over 45 voted Leave or vice versa.

The youngest voter in my family voter (to my dismay) for Brexit but redeemed herself in the GE by voting Labour.