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Why difference in views between young and old ?

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James2451 Sun 25-Jun-17 11:43:56

Young people told the Nation that they did not want a Tory Party elected that would continue with protecting the 10% of top earners , yet would still continue with more cruel cuts hitting the poor, vulnerable and disabled. Young people do not want a hard Brexit, no more Grammar Schools, no Fox Hunting, they want more Social Housing, free University places, no cuts on benefits and pensions. Etc, etc, etc.

Presumably, those who voted Conservative agree with the Tories policies of austerity and protecting the rich whilst poverty grows.
Is that a factual statement? What policies did they really expect and vote for in electing a Tory Government?

paddyann Sun 25-Jun-17 11:48:10

I've never voted tory ,never will and I'm delighted the young people "down south" have caught up with their counterparts in Scotland and become politically aware...after all its their future they're voting for .

Alima Sun 25-Jun-17 11:56:08

Maybe more younger people believe in la la land?

varian Sun 25-Jun-17 11:57:27

Old people read newspapers and most papers have a right wing pro-brexit bias whereas young people now get their news and views from other sources.

Elegran Sun 25-Jun-17 12:12:45

Why assume that all old people voted for a Tory government? Even that those who didn't vote as you (presumably) did must have voted Tory?

And where do you draw a line between young people and old people? Is there a magic cut-off point where everyone's opinions change overnight?

Alima Sun 25-Jun-17 12:16:03

Has anyone assumed that?

starbird Sun 25-Jun-17 12:17:16

It is not straightforward.

Although a pensioner I was happy to accept an upper limit on care costs (although to be honest it would not have affected me much as my house, being my only asser, is worth only £120,000). I would like to have seen a reduction in Uni fees, the dropping of many of the modern less academic subjects, but more shorter or on job, work related training courses.

If we have anything other than a hard Brexit it will all have been in vain. Yes protect the rights of those settled here, make arrangements for agricultural seasonal workers, but otherwise the idea was to reduce immigration to those with soecial skills and also an agreed number of refugees. At the same time education and training must be geared to practical living, work and parenting. No one under 25 or who has never worked, or has come here from abroad, other than as a genuine refugee, and assuming they are fit, should receive money for doing nothing.

There should be encouragement to build cheap innovative housing. Also more smaller but independent units for older people and single people of all ages.

People should be taught to be more responsible for themselves and families - why provide free school meals when there is a generous child allowance?

An all party task force needs to look to the future to see how people can work shorter hours, (due to AI and other changes) perhaps being obliged to give a certain number of hours to their community in some way, in some cases perhaps replacing jobs which have suffered cuts.

Of course young people voted for Corbyn - promising the earth but no practical means to pay for it, that is how most people live today - buying luxuries on credt. The older generation, who are not all richer than their children, grew up with a different outlook - save before you buy.

As always both sides have some good ideas and good people, it is time we dirched party politics and voted in men and women with ability, intelligence, common sense and life experience, but most of all integrity. Make a certain number of hours attendance in parliament obligatory - the empty seats during debates are shameful, and slash the number in the Lords in half to serve a fixed term - say three years, with new appointees reduced such that they only replace those leaving, rather than adding to the number.

I hope That gives you something to think about!

varian Sun 25-Jun-17 12:17:59

All old people did not vote Tory. I'm old and I voted LibDem, but our age group contains a higher proportion of Tory voters than younger age groups.

annodomini Sun 25-Jun-17 12:37:15

The youngest voter in my family voter (to my dismay) for Brexit but redeemed herself in the GE by voting Labour. grin

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 12:56:09

The boring bit...

All the research shows that 45 (or thereabouts) is the age when opinions change.

More people below that age voted Remain/support Labour. More people above that age voted Leave/support Tory. There's an almost spooky mirror image.

Unfortunately, for Remainers/Labour supporters, the demographic bulge means there are more over 45 year old than younger voters.

Of course, that doesn't mean that all people over 45 voted Leave or vice versa.

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 12:59:00

starbird How do people apply for this generous child allowance? I've never heard of it.

Anniebach Sun 25-Jun-17 13:00:48

Can it be by the age of 45 they have more life experience under different governments than 18 year olds

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 13:02:03

I'm alarmed at the contempt and arrogance shown by many of the Grumpnetter generation for younger people.

Welshwife Sun 25-Jun-17 13:28:53

I was very surprised at how knowledgable DGS was - we have never discussed politics until the Referendum. Listening to him was just like listening to my son (his uncle) or my father. It is obvious that many of his friends feel much the same and discuss things. They are all mid twenties and all have done - or are doing- further qualifications after a degree. Naturally they are well up with technology and are widely read.
They feel very much for PEOPLE who are not as fortunate as them and are in lots of cases working with foreigners and they have friends across a number of cultures. Most of them are also widely travelled and have visited a wide range of countries and not just gone to places to sit on a beach. Capital cities and museums are on the lists as well as travelling on public transport in different countries. Air B+B has I know given DGS and his partner -a beautiful very Anglicised Indian young woman - a great insight to how lovely many foreign people are.
Maybe having open eyes and minds has something to do with the opinions they have now got. They went to University when the fees were not so high as they are now but most of their friendship group had worked in holidays etc and saved to pay much of their living expenses so although they have some debt it is nothing like as high as the younger graduates. There group mainly have qualifications which are useful to us all too - engineering, law, genetic research biochemistry etc.

Lots of reasons people have ideas about other people and how they should be treated and it is not all to do with age - according to some of these surveys and conclusions about voting and age etc I am only about 25! If only it were true!

nigglynellie Sun 25-Jun-17 13:30:13

There's a thought annie!!!!! Nobody on here has contempt for younger people, I think sympathy and perhaps anger at them being so shamelessly used by people who should know better is a better description.

Welshwife Sun 25-Jun-17 13:42:15

Do. You think some older people are not being used then niggly!? I know of course that older people should know better.
Many of the young are far from being used - mist of them do not watch lots of TV or read stupid paper headlines and stop there. I think some if them get to discuss things in some school subjects too and do research.

paddyann Sun 25-Jun-17 13:55:29

so what would you suggest that under 25's do if they cant find work ? What about the young people who have been in care all their lives...should they just be thrown on the streets ? There IS money for everything we need its just being squandered by the tory government who have DOUBLED the debt in 7 years ,when austerity was supposed to enable them to pay it off...so what exactly HAVE they done with that money? Cancel their vanity projects ,get rid of Trident use the peoples money FOR the people who need it .Remember WE pay THEIR wages .Might be time they remembered it too !

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 13:58:49

The day after the Grenfell Tower tragedy, I watched a number of people being interviewed. Many of them were (I would guess) under 30 and/or of non-white ethnic origin. I was really struck by how articulate and what thoroughly decent human beings they were, although I don't know why I would have expected any different.

If people on here think that their posts don't show contempt and arrogance, I suggest they take a step back, because that's certainly the impression some of them give.

mcem Sun 25-Jun-17 14:01:12

Picking out just one of starbird? 's points - 'people should be taught to be more responsible for themselves and families'.
How? Who'll do the teaching?
(Also - didn't understand 'due to Al and other changes'.)

Rigby46 Sun 25-Jun-17 14:38:47

niggly your post oozes with the contempt you and others are accused of

jenpax Sun 25-Jun-17 14:47:54

I have become more left wing as I have got older contrary to popular convention from young conservative in my early 20's to a Jeremy Corbyn supporter in my early 50's ! as I have gone through life I have experienced hardship and struggles and these allowed me to look at life from a different place than the comfortable priveledge that coloured my early views. I am now in a comfortable place myself but I want others to be in the same place with me not pushing others aside to line my own pocket!! I now work for a free legal advice charity and see everyday the misery and injustice of selfish Tory policies!😡😡😡

Welshwife Sun 25-Jun-17 15:39:20

mcem. I think the AI means artificial intelligence.

I think I have become more left wing too. I was never really right wing as I belonged to the Guide movement and also went to church and both of those institutions teach looking out for other people and thinking of others etc which is what much of socialism in its broadest form also does.

I too am angry at what I think this Brexit will do to everyone - including those who voted leave, However it heartens me to see younger people having more open minds and looking at society in general.

People are now selfish in many ways and only thinking of themselves. There will always people who are lazy and want to exploit the system and that I think should be stopped but there are many who are unable to look out for themselves. Tax is the fairest and easiest way to address some of the inequalities of people - we pay less tax now than we used to - I am sure I paid much higher income tax years ago and before VAT we had purchase tax which could be quite high. It must be easier to pay some benefits through the tax system - it may well make it easier for people to understand.

I think it is about time we had a far better system to aid young people who have been in care. We are losing a whole pool of talent by not allowing them to continue to be educated or trained and to show them that whatever hardships and bad things they have had happen to them there are people out there who will support or help them. I only wish I had realised about this problem and the way they were treated when I was younger as would have done more research and tried to do some small thing to help - be a surrogate grandma or something to give some form of refuge when needed. I have never seen anything to address this problem in a party manifesto - has anyone else?

petra Sun 25-Jun-17 15:43:51

Welshwife
Why the need to say that your DGSs partner is 'very Anglicised'
Does she know that you think she's 'very Anglicised'

paddyann Sun 25-Jun-17 16:08:44

would she consider it an insult welshwife

mcem Sun 25-Jun-17 16:45:01

Yes ww you must be right. For some reason I jumped to Artificial Insemination and couldn't get it out of my head!
Pity some posters can't have intelligence (artificial or not) inserted in the same way!