Corbyn and the Monarchy and Armed Forces.

I went to a top private school and lived in a seven bedroomed house!
Does that mean I can't be socialist?
Does that mean I have to be more right wing than you, daphne?
Please help. I'm feeling very mixed up.

My grandfather was a communist, he thought all industry should be nationalised, and believed Labour's post war nationalisation would fail because they didn't nationalise the banks (he would have). He would have abolished the House of Lords and removed the Queen. He could sing the Red Flag all the way through.His politics grew out of the depression and working on the docks when men had to stand at the gates waiting for work. He would definitely have described himself as Far Left. (and proud of it!) There's no one far-left in politics now.

Well, that's the poor beast's last flogging....he can go out to pasture now.?

Talk about flogging a dead horse

I suppose that some posters wish Corbyn and McDonnell were not called far left, as they support them and choose not to think of themselves in the same way.
So they deny the fact.Corbyn and McDonnell couldn't really be any further left in the Labour Party.I have no beef with anyone who supports them, but be honest with yourselves and us on GN.They are the extreme left of the Labour Party!

Well yyg let us stick with the spectrum we have here in the UK shall we, May to Corbyn !

Someone I met the other day mentioned that he thought that Corbyn is very similar to Trump - both appealing to the disaffected, the 'not managing at all' people in society and he thought that one was far right, the other far left and they have met somewhere on the circle of political belief.

Quite a lot if people think it.

If 95% of people thought the world was flat it wouldn't make it any less globular.

If your left-right axis goes from Corbyn to May, they could be classed as far left. If however your axis goes all the way across the spectrum from Stalin to Hitler, they are only just left of centre.
It's all relative!

Even Labour MP's call them far left........are posters who support them ashamed of the label?

Are they just slightly left then, or left-ish perhaps ?

Haha! Not only in my opinion I think you will find. Quite a lot if people think it.

rosesarered Nobody has to "accept" anything just because you say it. It is your opinion, and some people feel differently.

Hope you had a tuck box.

Not that it matters.....

I found mine rather stifling and missed mater and pater dreadfully. But at least I was allowed to take my horse with me

It's clear that very few on here will accept that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott ( sounds like a firm of solicitors) do hold far left views.It's funny, in a not very amusing way.

I was just going to say that Jalima..... JC didn't go to a top private school,Although of course maybe dd did .

Well, I wouldn't call it a 'top private school' although I am sure it was and is a very good school (apologies to anyone else who went there).

and, like daphnedill, if he did then so did I.

devongirl

Have you seen through JC's keyhole, POGS? Creepy!

There will always be some who perceive a very much social democratic programme - which is what Labour are offering - as hard left. They are the people who thought the neoliberalism which was brought in by Thatcher supported by neo-labour governments and increased by the Osbourne vanity project was what we needed. If you are a neoliberal you will see any government with a social programme as 'hard left'.

Rather than this being a correct reflection of the Labour Party offer it exposes the neoliberals amongst us.

daphnedil

"So what does "hard left" mean to you POGS?"

Why am I reminded of Loyd Grossman and Through the Keyhole.

" Watch closely because, remember, the clues are there, as we go through... the keyhole."

PS. If Corbyn went to a top private school, so did I. Does that mean I'm doomed to hold right wing views for my lifetime, because I went to a particular school?

George Orwell went to Eton and Clem Attlee went to Haileybury. Shouldn't they have held socialist views?

So what does "hard left" mean to you POGS?

I agree with ww that the Labour Manifesto really was not "hard left". I'm comparing it with policies in countries such as Cuba, Venezuela, Soviet-era Russia or China, which I do consider to be "hard left".

My personal view (and I'm not even a Labour supporter never mind a Corbynite) is the Labour Manifesto didn't go far enough on taxes and welfare.

European Social Democracy is, by no stretch of the imagination, "hard left". Merkel is a conservative, but even she would find many of the policies in the Labour Manifesto quite acceptable.