Aimed at the Wrong People?

So can those who support Corbyn & dislike or cannot see any truth in some of the comments made about him & his double standards & hypocrisy not to mention slyness (as opposed to Mays foolishness) explain to me exactly what he in reality stands/ does not stand for & I am not being fecious,hope I spelt that correctly. Also hope my post won't be dismissed as not worthy of the iPad I post on )indicating quite some arrogance by some gransnetters

Every one of quizqueens points are exaggerated populist rubbish which some seem to take at face value without question.

Let me take just one as as example "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity."

No one believes that asking the wealthy to pay a bit more tax is going to take them 'out of prosperity'. They will still have plenty left to sustain their preferred lifestyles. So the statement is fatally flawed.

You could do the same analysis of each of the others for yourself with a modicum of logic,

This was a good dry year but wet, let alone muddy, camping gear is not easy to pack up and many people go by coach - I am sure coach companies would be glad of having their luggage space full of muddy wet equipment. Left in the field it probably dries and much if the mud fall off. Someone said that the cost of cleaning up is factored into the ticket price and it is giving someone maybe a much needed job.

Most holiday makers who rent houses would rather pay €100 or more to have the house/Gite cleaned when they leave than do it themselves. Mind you often when continentals are the clients the places are left in a good tidy order. (I do speak from experince here as I have from time to time helped a friend who looks after a house which is rented out)

Wherever quizqueen read her points doesn't really matter (to me). Everyone seems so keen to link to what others have said, what's been written elsewhere (which is fine) but what about things which just seem logical to ourselves. Ignoring the heading about 'Socialism doesn't work' and leaving out for a minute Corbyn or May bashing, don't some of the points in quizqeen's list make sense just as they are. People did not all go to university. DH and I didn't, neither did our sons, and with the exception of DH the rest of us wouldn't have made it because we weren't clever enough. Having said that, I worked all my life in a reasonable job. Both my sons have jobs and support their families which came about through studying in the evenings, work experience etc. Would it not be better to put more money into apprenticeships, tech and IT rather than for all 18 year olds to expect to go to uni and not have to pay anything for it?

quizqueen
The media is a very important industry and a very big employer.
media studies is not a 'Mickey Mouse' degree but a very good gateway into employment.

The amount of mess left behind every year regardless of who is the star attractions is the real problem. A lot of people who attend, in their everyday lives are keenly aware of recycling, upcycling, putting everything in the appropriate bins at home for refuse day etc. In many cases plug being environmentally friendly. So why does this happen? ...more to the point who picks up the bill for it all. I believe some of the tents are reused by needy people but why can"t people take their tents back with them.? Because many are very inexpensive to buy ...and someone else will clear up the mess. Double standards in a lot of cases. And not just youngsters but many much older ones too.

He was doing a 'Trump' preaching to the converted and blasting the opposition.

There were thousands of people at Glastonbury of all ages and political opinions. Why would the assumption be made that he was 'preaching to the converted'? They can't all have been leftwing Corbynistas.

And why shouldn't the BBC report his speech. Corbyn has become News since the general election. The BBC is supposed to report News. It makes a refreshing change from the hours of coverage it's given the likes of Farage.

I doubt that Corbyn is particularly impressed by 'celebrity'. There's nothing particularly special or interesting about most celebrities. He seems to me to be grounded enough to give them their true value.

And may l ask again please for an explanation of why a tory voter thinks things are ok?
(ie not an anti-labour post but a genuine pro-Tory one.)

Where did you read your 'points', quizqueen? A link would be helpful.

Democratic socialism works extremely well in Germany which is what Corbyn thinks we should emulate.

Regardless of how we feel about Corbyn, for or against, I think it was wrong to use that event to spout his annoyance with the Tories. Be a guest and champion your party, OK I can live with that. But the BBC presented it at no cost to him, but at the taxpayers expense, so that is why I think dumping on the Tories using Glasto was wrong.

He was doing a 'Trump' preaching to the converted and blasting the opposition. And I will not be surprised if he does a 'Blair' and starts hanging out with celebs and sports stars who will stroke his ego.

I still am in disbelief that he wants all this adoration, but did nothing for the Remain campaign. There are some fantastic Labour MPs out there, and he's dragging them down.

Here's some points I read concerning 'Socialism doesn't work'.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Corbyn is making false promises to the young which he won't be able to keep. When 5% of the young generation went to university it was affordable for the country to pay for it. Blair wanted everyone to have the chance to go to university with the result that a lot of Micky Mouse courses were invented-media studies etc. It is not affordable for the country to pay for all 18 year olds to go to university and many are not suited to it. Better to plough resources into apprenticeships and engineering/ICT courses/medical areas. If courses are paid for by someone else then there should be a contract that the recipient works in this country for 5/10 years first to repay the costs.

At the same time, big business needs to be sorted out to ensure they pay a fair wage and offer good training and prospects to those who are loyal and work hard.

But it isn't annie so you needn't be sad!! As I said if I did I did so in error and can only apologise again.

I may think you are misguided though (that was said in friendly jest)

Without accusations of nit-picking would someone who supports this move please explain to me, simply and honestly, why you do?

You did Whitewave, the post was removed , thank you for your apology , saddens me that is you opinion of me, never mind, it's been said and now it's past

Who is Jeremy Corbin??

Was that a question or a statement Arry

I agree with Anya and Whitewave. People who don't have much money often spend more than this on a holiday - and if you add together the cost of a number of gig tickets it would be much more. People save up, sometimes for a couple of years. They aren't all rich.

Why wouldn't you knock Jeremy Corbin, vile horrible man

Blimey when did I agree with you being a parasite annie if I did I profoundly apologise

I notice Maizie isn't being castigated for getting it wrong.

What did I get wrong, Ana?

Whitewave, please less of accusations that some posters do not add to discussions, I was called a parasite yesterday and you posted immediately in agreement

My original post was made to MaizieD because I'd heard the figure of £1.5 bn over and over again on the news and in the media, but it was always £2.5 bn on here.

I notice Maizie isn't being castigated for getting it wrong.

Well those that can, contribute and to the discussion and those that can't nitpick.

ana posts like yours simply do not progress the argument and are made just to irritate nothing more and nothing less.