Aimed at the Wrong People?

Don't you believe in free speech then norose4 ?

Then Why did Corbyn make a speech ,Suzied? He didnt need to, wolf in sheeps clothing me thinks!

Perhaps she really doesn't know. Not everybody does. It wasn't brought up in the run up to the election, so I'd not be surprised if lucklegs9 genuinely thinks this government has a better record on the economy. It's certainly how they sell themselves.

I think the backlash is because people are now starting to realise that all these austerity measures have not reduced the debt,

Selective memory more likely.

Good point suzied I'm guessing luckylegs9 doesn't know we're more in debt than ever.

Who said you get in a rage? Not I surely.

Yes fly tipping is terrible. All governments seem to drown in debt including this one which has increased it. How many strands has this thread got?

Nanny McPhue, I don't get in a rage. If by some unhappy circumstance Corbyn was in no. 10, that too would pass, like last time he would get into terrible debt, but eventually when the money is gone, he would be voted out, like Blair was and the same unhappy cycle some ensue. Just a matter of waiting it out. Like wars, some people don't take heed of past mistakes. Lots I don't agree with Conservatives about, this last ekection girls start and the draconian measures, now dumped, but infinitely better than fairylCorbynland.

My disgust at the rubbish at Glastonbury, any festival or anywhere is nothing to do with JC or politics.I genuinely feel revulsion -yep that's a strong word -at litter of any kind.Sadly I know all too well about fly tipping.I currently am waiting to hear wether our council has secured a prosecution for the obscene amount tipped up a beautiful track that I came across,and found documents in.And as I work outdoors, driving around quieter areas feel utterly depressed how endemic this problem,along with the attitude it's OK to jettison stuff out of a car window.To me one plastic bottle,a pile of fly tipping,leaving your c**p at Glastonbury it's all the same mindset.Someone else will clear it up.As a previous poster pointed out that's a lot less money for the organisers to donate to worthy causes.Just as it's a lot less money for councils to spend on other essential services.Of course festival organisers would still have to do some cleaning and checking ,but on this scale.Come on ?!I'd like to see a complete revolution in this country where the young generations bring up their children to respect that if we are lucky enough to live in a country with an infrastructure for disposing of rubbish that what we do.Always.Wether at a festival, on the streets or out in the countryside.

Good summary suzied I hope that by putting it like that those guilty will be able to see themselves more clearly. False hope?

eleothan Exactly - this thread developed into an attack on Glastonbury because Jeremy Corbyn had been there, and anything associated with him must be awful per se. The logic defies belief -
JC goes to Glastonbury
Glastonbury is expensive.
Therefore everyone there is well heeled and therefore cannot possibly be interested in JCs message as well off people can't believe in social equality. ( for that read : communism)
They are also litter louts and don't wash
The music is terrible
And they are all too young/ old/stupid
Ridiculous.

When fly tipping takes place, it is random - it can be left in the road, on someone's driveway, on a river bank, in an area of outstanding natural beauty, etc. etc. The authorities firstly have to be alerted to the fact that it is there and then have to arrange for one or two people to take a truck to collect it. That probably means that this rubbish is as blot on the landscape for some time before it is retrieved. It also means that there is ongoing and continuous effort and money expended in picking up rubbish from a variety of far flung locations.

At a festival, the rubbish - tents, duvets, whatever - is confined to a given area and its presence has been anticipated and catered for. The person that owns the land has already incorporated the cost of the clear up in the price of the ticket. Whether people should be encouraged to be irresponsible in not disposing of their rubbish properly because it reinforces the idea that there are people out there whose sole purpose in life is to clean up after you, is a different argument.

I wonder if this issue would have been brought up at all had it not been for the fact that Corbyn visited Glastonbury and therefore made it incumbent on some people to find fault with this particular festival which is probably no different from any other festival.

Jalima

Your welcome.

Eloethan

So the main issue you have with my post is the fact I made a comment 'It's akin to fly tipping ' but you say it's not because it was on private land. Fair enough.

Or am I mistaken?

Thank you for that post POGS

Yes, it is contained within an area but there is a syustem for each person to dispose of it before they leave Eloethan

And - don't get me started on dog mess. Why would anyone take their dog through a fence into a children's playground to do its business (leaving the mess) instead of walking a few yards further down a country path and carrying poo bags with them?

On that thought I will continue with my jam making

It isn't akin to fly tipping because measures are in place - and people are aware they are in place - to deal with the mess. And the mess is contained within a certain, predictable area. It is rubbish and it has to be disposed of somewhere. Is it really any better taking your mess home and putting it in your own bin, or a bin on the street, than leaving it for the clearer-uppers to deal with?

I agree that it is indicative of a certain state of mind that some people have - we have street cleaners, we have school cleaners, so what's the problem with dropping litter? This is not restricted to festival-goers. It occurs everywhere - especially on beaches. I have seen people take a picnic to the beach and when they depart, leave a circle of carrier bags, cans and other rubbish around the area where they were sitting.

I think it is up to people who feel strongly about it (and I feel everybody should feel strongly about it but they don't) to be pro-active in this respect. When I take my dog for a walk in the morning, I take a bag and collect rubbish as I go. An elderly friend of mine said "Why should we clear up the rubbish, it's the council's job?" I disagree. Firstly, it is the responsibility of the person who dropped the rubbish - but they've long since gone and can't be apprehended. Secondly, our council makes huge efforts to keep our streets and other public spaces clean and litter-free but they can only do so much.

Perhaps it would be of interest to some posters to know what the 'Green Policy' of Worthy Farm states to support 'part' the OP.

www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/green-glastonbury/our-green-policies/

'Love Worthy Farm Leave No Trace.'

Extract:-

The festival is committed to minimising the amount of waste, and managing the on site collection of that waste efficiently, “reduce, reuse and recycle”. We want all Festival goers to think ‘zero waste’ and to take home what they bring onto the Festival site. We want Festivals goers to think responsibly when they are packing their things to come to Glastonbury, don’t bring items that will end up in Landfill, or that you won’t be able to take back home again.

“Limit what you bring, and clean up behind you.” The Festival commits to continuing its policy of reducing the percentage of waste that goes to landfill, by placing controls on what is bought on site by staff, contractors, sponsors and traders and by emphasis on their responsibility not to bring items that will end in landfill. All cans, glass, paper, wood and organic waste are separated and recycled. There are 15, 000 bins around the site clearly identified for either wet or dry recyclable materials or non-recyclable rubbish.

‘A tent is for life not just for a festival’, we want people to not just buy the cheapest tent, spend a little extra and buy yourself a tent that is going to last you a lifetime of camping experiences rather than just a festival or summer.

Pack up your tent and take it home.

We’re recycling like mad. In 2014, half of all waste generated by the Festival was recycled. With your help, we’re hoping that this could go up to 60% this year. All cans, glass, paper, electrical and electronic equipment, wood and organic waste are separated and recycled as locally as possible. Many thanks to our fabulous Recycling Crew for making this possible. In 2014 the Festival recycled 114 tonnes of composted organic waste, 400 tonnes of chipped wood, 23 tonnes of glass, 85 tonnes of cans and plastic bottles, 41 tonnes of cardboard, 162 tonnes of scrap metal, 11.2 tonnes of clothing, tents, sleeping bags, 0.264 tonnes of batteries, 3 tonnes of dense plastic. 0.25 tonnes plastic sheets. 983 tonnes of waste were recycled or diverted from landfill. 54 % of our waste was recycled.

What we need to do now is start seriously reducing the volumes of waste that are created by the Festival and the only way to do this is to “Reduce, Reuse, recycle’

There are teams of volunteers that contribute hugely to the sustainability of the Festival. There are 1,300 recycling volunteers, 1,200 work for a ticket and the other volunteer for their nominated charity like WaterAid, Kiota and Bhopal Medical Appeal. The money that they earn gets donated to the charity they are working for. Without them we wouldn’t be able to achieve the recycling rate that we reach.

It costs us £780,000 to dispose of all the rubbish left at the Festival. That’s £780,000 less to Water Aid, Greenpeace or Oxfam – the main recipients of any profits made by Glastonbury. With £780,000, Water Aid can enable 52,000 people to access to safe water, improve hygiene and sanitation.
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Take the politics out the equation and it anybody who has left behind ' THEIR' mess is not only selfish but of the ilk that believe they can do what they want, when they want and somebody else can deal with it.

I am surprised some posters think that just because you buy a ticket you can be so anti social as it becomes your right because you paid to do so.

IT IS AKIN TO FLY TIPPING !

A pity those who left their gear behind couldn't take it home with them and take their tents to a local charity shop IF being generous to charity was their reason in the first place?

Anyway, why should I care? The future of the planet is in the hands of younger people, I am doing my best but I won't be here when they have DGC.

enough for a hot air balloon!

Only on GN would so much hot air be expounded about litter!!
I thought there was a lot of hot gas being produced by landfill!

Plenty of hot air on the other News and Politics threads as well...

It's not just about litter ww there is a sub text!

Only on GN would so much hot air be expounded about litter!!

I do realise that tents and equipment can be re-used - and there is a system for recycling them which some people use.
There is also a system for recycling other rubbish which many people use - but there are also many others who expect others to clear up after them.

Presumably those defending these slobs don't leave the countryside as they find it themselves.

But that's OK - it keeps people in work, dealing with other people's filth.
I don't like to go through an AONB and see the litter thrown out at the sides of the road either.
But I am just a moaner.

Last year abandoned tents were given to refugees. There is a plea for people to take their belongings but not everyone does and there are huge numbers of people there so it doesn't take a huge percentage to leave their kit and for it to become a problem. As far as politics goes Glastonbury has always been a predominantly Left wing event, if you don't like it don't watch those bits, just enjoy he music!