Cliff Edge anyone?

How can this brexit madness be stopped?

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/eu-chief-brexit-negotiator-michel-barnier-talks/

I quite like the idea here of Barnier negotiating with himself. We'll get a better deal than if he negotiates with the government.
Agree about Corbyn. I think he'll get on well with Barnier.
Did you see Daily Politics today?
Jack Dromey on saying he's spent 30 years negotiating.
And getting what he wants, usually.

I think I heard that Corbyn is going to/has been having grown up discussions with Barnier#somebodyhasto!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/12/eu-warns-brexit-talks-could-fail-after-johnsons-go-whistle-remarks

Well done, Johnson.
How do we persuade Barnier that we do not agree with Boris?

When these idiots make wild statements about not paying a penny to leave they make themselves and by definition Britain look stupid and untrustworthy. Of course we have to pay for things which were committed while we were (are) members of the EU,apart from anything else, we have to pay our share of the pensions for EU staff and MEPs like bloody Farage! Maybe he could volunteer to give that up as a gesture of his sincerity? No? Thought not. There are only two possibilities here:
(1) the Brexit team and the Cabinet are all stupid, financially illiterate and have just realised after 40 years that the EU has been a terrible mistake

or#
(2) They think the great British public are stupid and believe everything they are told

Whichever it is, both disqualify these fools from holding public office.

Just how much worse does it have to get before people start to understand what a disaster this is starting to be? Getting all het up and shouty on QT is not enough you know.

I read somewhere this morning, that the plan is for May to flounce out of the talks about the divorce settlement - these are due in September.

I wonder at what level of maturity the average government minister is at? I would say 14 years.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-eu-uk-divorce-bill-pay-european-union-right-to-stay-five-days-michel-barnier-a7836911.html

The clock ticking. Five days to answer on EU citizens in UK.

Someone asked Barnier what he made of the excruciatingly embarrassing remark made by Johnson "they can whistle for the money"

Barnier replied

" All I can hear is a clock ticking"

Oh dear, we are so much the laughing stock.

tegan I read your post about Euratom. I feel that all sane people must be banging their heads against a wall in despair.

Who is going to have the gumption to say Enough!!

www.theweek.co.uk/86634/banks-warn-its-too-late-to-stop-brexit-exodus

'The Government came under fire today after it admitted it did not carry out a formal assessment of the impact of quitting the Euratom agency.

Former minister Ed Vaizey said the failure was “surprising” because of possible consequences for jobs, energy supplies, research and medicine.

MPs stepped up pressure on ministers this morning by holding a Commons debate on a decision they suspect was taken in 10 Downing Street with minimal consultation'
....it's beyond belief, really. I mean, these people are running the country .

I think something is being added to the tea!

The media too is getting tired of us protesting about Brexit. I ='ve to the BBC, several MP's about the wretched business and they just seem resigned to letting the country leave the EU what ever the cost. The overwhelming majority of MP's voted REMAIN so why don't they stick to their principles.

Everytime I hear a Brexiteer speak they never make any sense!!!

It is so depressing to keep on seeing these people making fools of us all. I just saw the clip of Davis giving the. ' good luck to them' reply. I think he needs a good haircut! When DS was a lad if his hair got too long he went all cross and odd - a nice cut sorted him out!!! He still has very short hair now.

Listening to Davis in the select committee over Brexit.

He is so difficult to follow as he never seems to be able to complete a whole sentence without inserting unassociated waffle in the middle.

A few things struck me though.

Someone asked him about the movement if Banks/financialnserves to Europe pre/post Brexit. Financial services make up 40% of British exports and contribute enormously to the exchequer.
His reply was "Good luck to them"

Discussing Customs control. The message from the entire business community, plus the vast majority of the public including those who voted Brexit does not appear to have remotely got through. Utterly bizarre.

He did mention the EU customs control, but seemed very laid back about the fact that they were making no immediate plans vis a vis British imports.

With regard to the exidus of companies, to the EU - we know for instance by reading the letter from the Japanese Foreign Minister that this is an existential threat with the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs and that just from Japanese companies- Davis seemed entirely indifferent and had nothing of interest to say on the matter.

Johnson managed to show in one easy lesson his total lack of grip on reality, and how to antagonise your negotiators by insisting that not one penny will be paid to the EU for the divorce bill.

So the question then begs being answered.

What about the monies for which we are legally contracted to pay?

If we are seen by row to welch on this what are our chances of being seen as no risk with regard to contracts drawn up in future?

This is our foreign minister we are talking about.

Perhaps he will do all of us a favour and use his American citizenship and move there. They already have one so I don't suppose another Trumpesque figure will make much difference.

Blast from the past

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXFtVWB47E

Does anyone know the way, did we hear someone say
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
Does anyone know the way, there's got to be a way
To BREXIT

Ooops! Just seen that dj has already posted more or less the same information. Sorry to be repetitive.

Yes, the supply of medical isotopes would be affected by leaving Euratom:

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-explained/euratom

Interruptions to the supply of medical isotopes

Leaving Euratom risks breaking a series of time-sensitive supply chains which supply isotopes used in nuclear medicine. The UK does not have any reactors capable of producing these isotopes and because they decay rapidly – often within a matter of hours or days – hospitals in the UK must rely on a continuous supply from reactors in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Issues with these reactors precipitated a two-year crisis in the supply of several major medical isotopes between 2008 and 2010. This meant that hospitals across Europe had to delay or cancel hundreds of thousands of medical tests.

In response to this, the Euratom Supply Agency was given a more prominent role in overseeing the supply chains of medical isotopes and ensuring that they are economically viable, stable and given due political importance.

Without the support of Euratom, the UK may find it harder to guarantee the supply of these materials to hospitals.

tegan it is amazing what isotopes are used for i had no idea until i began to read about it

Cheers dj its good to have some intelligent comments around the whole subject

'Does anyone know whether radioactive isotopes will be affected by leaving Euratom'
...I hope not as I may need radiotherapy on my mutant hand/foot at some point. Yet another thing to have to fight brexit for methinks .

"The defection of just seven Tory MPs could be enough to give Theresa May’s fragile minority government a potentially fatal dose of radiation. "
I like this, from the Guardian.

Honourable? English spelling. I am sure you won't mind, whitewave, as you corrected yourself.

Does anyone know whether radioactive isotopes will be affected by leaving Euratom?

I certainly did not 'pounce'. I've had cancer twice and am still not clear - obviously GNHQ were of the same opinion regarding the insensitivity of whitewave's post.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

Honorable