Cliff Edge anyone?

This is still my big problem with Corbyn, as I will always feel he is anti EU.Philip Pullman wrote in the Times magazine 'Brexit is the most selfish act of self destruction of any nation...and nobody seems to know what to do about it'. But he also wrote 'I would be cheered by Corbyn's phoenix like rise, except I know that he didn't lift a finger during the referendum on the subject of remain, and I can't forgive him for that'. Mind you, he wasn't as popular a year ago and I feel that the referendum result would probably have been the same [just as the people who voted for Trump were the ones most in need of Obamacare, and they voted for him because they were promised things they are never likely to get].The LibDems have always fought for remain, and that is why the S.O. now votes for them and not Labour. What a total mess, though. We've taken back control only to be controlled [if the promised trade deals with America come to fruition]by a man who sends his unelected daughter to represent him on the world stage#youcouldn'tmakeitup

If a political party declared itself remain and seemed to stand a chance of getting in I would vote for them like a shot.

GE's come along every 5 years.

Devastation brought on by Brexit lasts a life time and more

Exactly tegan and gilly

I don't understand that either, Gill . I don't understand how a result based on, not one lie but numerous lies can be 'democratic'. It isn't the will of the people, it's the will of people like Rupert Murdoch and Arron Banks.

Like the idea about Aaron Banks Gilly - only saw part of the interview with Vince Cable - we have threat of a bad storm so were closing shutters and putting things under cover etc.

That's really worrying WW particularly as all our pensions are state or classed as Govt ones! Must admit that the prospect of becoming more like a third world country is very worrying - perhaps we will receive aid instead of being a doner!

Are you sure we are not in the middle of a nightmare and will wake up to find normality is resumed!

If the Tory party can be elected on a promise of means testing WFA/dropping the triple lock/dementia tax/stripping the NHS and education of funds etc., etc., and then scrap most of these promises, why do they insist on the 'will of the people' for Brexit? Leaving out the mentality of those who voted for the above policies, surely they didn't get what they voted for? So why should the deluded and deceived Brexiteers get what they voted for? Since when has politics become so honourable? I am with Vince Cable,and also think that there should be an investigation into Arron Banks and his tactics, he has openly admitted that he has no regards or respect for the electoral commission and their rules.

All those Brexiters spouting that the "EU needs us more than we need them" are seriously deluded.

Reading about what has happened to countries whose economies have collapsed and how it affects the population.

The existing recipients of pensions find that it dries up.
Public services dry up
National assets sold to highest bidder
Public servants pay cut.

Brexit is in danger of delivering all the above.

Wonder who Brexiters will blame!?

Vince Cable on BBC

Thinks that Brexit may well never happen.

Reason - the enormous divisions in both Labour and Tory party and the economy which is tanking.

That's true ww as Brexit can't possibly deliver to those poorer folk who voted Brexit in the hope of a better life.

I don't suppose they will take much notice of the polls - or only take notice of those which are not so bad!

Banks coule be wrong and the civil unrest may come from all those people who lose their jobs and homes as this course continues.

I am wondering what they will do once the polls show an overwhelming rejection of Brexit.

It is beginning to happen. With a clear lead of 8 points at the moment.

Will the "will of the people" be listened to them I wonder, or will they continue to listen to such spivs as Aaron Banks- who threatens civil unrest if he doesn't get his way?

Who are this people willing to cause civil unrest anyway? They can only be the EDFs and NFS of this world.

That will be the case even if they do nothing 'on purpose ' !

I expect DD still thinks it is scaremongering and all the warning signs etc are only temporary till UK starts being inundated with offers to trade and a good deal all round.!!!!!

There are all these Govt enquiries about everything these days no matter the cost - do you think all this lot will be hauled up in front of one in a few years and asked why they did not admit it was wrong and stop the whole thing? Their remit is to do the best for the country and not just do exactly was an iffy referendum says. If they always did what the electorate voted for no one would be paying tax and all social care would be free!

Observer

German industry has given the U.K. the starkest warning yet that their priority is to protect the single market(why wouldn't they?) and they will do so even if (which is almost inevitable) if it Severely harms British industry.

Merkel and other German politicians are adamant that the UK must not do so well outside the market as in it.

Davis still seems not to have left la la land. and is insisting that this will none of the above will be the case.

Just been reading about the WTO and our hard line Brexiters.

They are already saying that they want changes to WTO rules .

Takes some believing doesn't it?

Can't see anyone wanting us as members of anything the way we are going.

Wasn't that what yours was?

Don't worry petra and ana pedantry is something I can never be bothered with.

Whereas one liners are always worth a titter at.

Hammond has said that the free trade that May is talking about will give little benefit to the UK.

Sharp divisions very clear now in the cabinet.

But I did, and I was the one who said it.

Fictional character. I doubt whitewave had Lewis Carroll in mind when she posted...

Know nothing about Humpty Dumpty, Ana?

A word means what the writer wants it to mean

Hmm - I'l bear that in mind next time you're being nit-pckingly obtuse, durhamjen!

If you can turn Brexit into a verb you can talk twat.
A word means what the writer wants it to mean. I understood, particularly as she gives you the meaning afterwards.

I thought that too, petra, but no doubt we'll get our heads bitten off for daring to comment...