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Cliff Edge anyone?

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whitewave Fri 30-Jun-17 07:31:33

This term gets bandied about in relation to Brexit without any of the consequences attached to it.

I have just done some research/ reading and thought it was time we all had the opportunity to discuss what exactly a "cliff edge Brexit" means and whether it can be taken seriously as a "no deal is better than a bad deal" deal.

So talks have failed and our government decides to go it alone.

It is day one of Britains great adventure

We have no trade deals with the EU or the rest of the world.
The economy goes into recession
We now have in front of us several years of negotiating trade deals both with our potentially biggest customer -Europe and the rest of the World.
Countries like Argentina and others that bear a grudge will block any dealings with the WTO.
Getting exports to Europe will become an absolute nightmare, as even if we have successfully arranged our borders for a post Brexit scenario, Europe has only just begun to get their border controls in place for the flow of goods to and from the UK.
The SE becomes a huge lorry park as good stand waiting to be processed. There is a potential for shortages to occur- particularly in relation to food, as there is only one port in Europe that is set up to deal with this commodity, and that is not yet functioning.
Issues like "country of origin" causes complete chaos for business and everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare.
Flights are delayed/cancelled until the UK can do its own deals with regard to flight rights.
And of course as we have read only recently, nuclear material will dry up, threatening cancer and other treatment.

References are available on request????

petra Sat 08-Jul-17 12:58:48

WhiteWave
You can't 'talk twat'. You can call someone a twat, you can behave like a twat, but you can't 'talk twat'

loopyloo Sat 08-Jul-17 12:28:44

Corbyn will need to Brexit so he can get his socialist policies through. Don't think people realise this.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 12:24:25

I see trump expects a trade deal to be done very, very quickly with the UK.
He says he's visiting the UK, too.
Good luck with that.

I bet he doesn't get as big a crowd as Corbyn does today at the Durham Gala.

whitewave Sat 08-Jul-17 11:52:48

I suppose it goes to show that they are talking utter twat about the EU - as how stupid can you get?

whitewave Sat 08-Jul-17 11:50:50

David Davis was until told this week unaware that Germany doesn't "do" bi-lateral deals with USA.

I am speechless!

Welshwife Sat 08-Jul-17 11:34:14

On a late night R4 news bulletin I heard a report that Brussels is considering stopping the move to Strasbourg and because France will lose money if they do offering them the European Medicines Agency and relocate that in the Strasbourg building. Sounds reasonable.

whitewave Sat 08-Jul-17 10:51:29

Hammond supports the business world in its call to remain in single market and customs union, until everything is settled.

Fox -the chap with no job, who likes to take his friends around the world with him in government business as "advisors" disagrees.

I know which one I think has the most integrity and trustworthiness.

Tegan2 Fri 07-Jul-17 21:03:19

Glad I missed it [cinema]. Don't tell me. Brexit means brexit; will of the people; strong and stable.....the film I saw made me laugh and cry in equal measures...think Ms Mays interview would have done the same [with more emphasis on the crying, though].

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 19:18:07

Channel 4 interviewing May about Brexit.

May bot in full flow -someone forgot to update her software as she said exactly the same as she said at the begining of the year.

durhamjen Fri 07-Jul-17 17:34:47

Does Dominic Cummings not count?

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/vote-leave-campaign-director-says-voting-leave-may-have-been-an-error/

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 16:26:38

Or Davis " if a democracy cannot change its mind then it ceases to be a democracy"

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 16:23:36

My money is on Johnson

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 16:21:48

So far

Business wants to remain

Scientists want to remain

The young went to remain

Majority poll suggesting want to remain.

So let's congratulate the first Brexiter to admit that remaining makes more sense, as someone with integrity and courage

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 16:03:28

It shows how rattled the Hard line Brexiters are getting.

The headline in the (i) screamed something like - Brexiters accusing BBC of anti-Brexit bias. grin what idiots.

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 10:08:58

The thing is that at the moment the diminishing hard liners still have the steering wheel. But I think this will change, as is changing.

My opinion is that the referendum took everyone by enormous surprise.

Johnsons face said it all.

They then looked at the implication of what they had done and were stunned into silence for about 5 months doing very little but panicking and trying to sound confident, without remotely understanding either how to achieve Brexit or its consequences.

But those billionaires wanting a low tax, low wage and low regulatory system are willing to get to Brexit regardless of what happens to the bulk of the population.

They realised that their majority was tenuous at best and with the economy beginning to tank, Labour fleeing the U.K. and business very alarmed at the lack of any plan, the hard liners are continuing to try to sound confident that Brexit will happen.

However the screws are turning.

Welshwife Fri 07-Jul-17 09:57:06

But are the people dealing with it listening? They all seem to be totally deaf and the only thing they can say is 'Brexit is happening' - I thought the job of Governmant was to do the best for the people and it is looking more and more that this course of action is not the best for the majority of the population.

Maybe all these people who will be using UK as a tax haven will turn out to be philanthropists and pay all those who lose their jobs a wage from the money they save - on the other hand - pigs might start flying

durhamjen Fri 07-Jul-17 08:59:46

www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-07-06/corbyn-to-meet-with-barnier-as-he-anticipates-snap-u-k-election

Corbyn discussing Brexit with Bloomberg.

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 08:26:39

That truemb

But i do think the mood music is beginning to change though.

MawBroon Fri 07-Jul-17 08:17:03

So now there is an argument that because the UK never ratified the referendum with a government bill it can't constitutionally invoke A50 . That in point of law A50 is not legal

Hope springs eternal but I fear we are clutching at straws. What gets me is that the government has backed itself into this corner by bad planning and arrogance. If DC had been serious (or had half a brain) he would have set up a system that could not have swung on a sixpence. They have arrogantly ignored any facesaving opportunities to change things and I should have thought that the GE result alone was proof that the country is NOT behind TM and her "hard Brexit"
Every day brings further depressing news about how things are going to be worse regarding trade, employment, cost, investment. And we are paying for this
If there was one solitary encouraging factor to it all, would they not have trumpeted it from the roof of the Daily Telegraph by now?
I can hear nothing, so must assume the worst. sad

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 08:08:31

Brexit continues to take its toll on household income.

The fall in spending is the biggest since 2011

The fall in the value of sterling is the main reason, but because of the worry over Brexit, wage growth is also being held back

whitewave Fri 07-Jul-17 08:01:46

Signed

Bysinesses via CBI are telling May that there must be no cliff edge and further more we should not leave the single market or customs union

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 22:15:16

And don't forget to sign the other campaigns while you are on the site.
Please.

Cindersdad Thu 06-Jul-17 21:46:14

I'vejust been sent a message from Open Britain asking me to sign their petition which I did

www.open-britain.co.uk/theresa_may_has_no_mandate_for_hard_brexit?recruiter_id=176912

Please sign but also write to your MP saying how you feel and urging him/her to join the cross party "timorous majority" to call off Brexit. Governments usually ignore petitions but if enough of us say enuogh they may take note.

The Original petition came from Chuka Ummoona and Open Britain. I sent him one of my emails suggesting he joins the cross-party "timorous majority" if he has not already done so.

Some one has to stand up to the Bullying Brexiteers.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 20:27:48

So now there is an argument that because the UK never ratified the referendum with a government bill it can't constitutionally invoke A50 . That in point of law A50 is not legal.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 20:21:58

Listening to the CBI - what a shambles it all is.

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