Cliff Edge anyone?

cinders I think that there is some truth in the assumption that most of the parliamentary members - which is the majority- who are remainers are in fact keeping their powder dry, waiting for the realisation to dawn that Brexit will be entirely damaging to our economy and jobs.

There is undoubtedly a head of steam building but this has to be understood in the country. Poly Toynbee was right I think in saying that this is why the Lib Dems was not more successful - they were ahead of time. But as jobs are threatened and the economy tanks, hearts and minds will be easily persuaded.

Brexit makes of lot sense. The EU has great difficulties with its Southern and Eastern countries . But we need to have the confidence to have our own parliament which makes its own rules. It's about democracy.

MaizeD - I'm no Churchill but our society does need a few heads above the parapet to say things how are as they see it. Of course they may well be wrong only time will tell. Logic tells me and many others that Brexit really makes little sense.

Day6 - The Guardian and to a lesser extent the Daily Mail even though you may not agree with what they say do express themselves articulately. I happen to agree with the original Guardian view about Jeremy Corbyn in that sooner or later it will end in tears for Labour and may be the country. My preferred read for balanced opinion is the "I".

MarK Carney, John Major, Ken Clarke, Michael Heseltine, Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson , Nick Clegg and many others do know what they are talking about. All credit to them for daring to speak against populist trends. I believe there is a timorous cross party majority in parliament yearning for a return to rational politics; I hope that they have sufficient collective courage to say "Enough". I would include messrs. May and Hammond in that Timorous Majority though definitely lacking courage.

Appeasement led to disaster in the 1930's, that was the result of populism too. Appeasing the Brexiteers in the 2010's is equally short sited.

Hahaha!!! The Guardian a respected news source!! It's the left wing sibling of the Daily Mail, read by people with a penchant for calling anyone with an opinion which differs from theirs " fascist "
The Guardian, which slated Corbyn until he did well in the election. Fact. Now he's been elevated to sainthood. Hilarious!

Bravo Cindersdad!

Well I sent this to Jeremy Corbyn, Teresa May, Tim Farron, My own MP and Ken Clarke. You cannot more 1000 characters to TM so I had to reword her version.

Dear MP's

You may dismiss me as a moaning remainer but Brexit does appear to be loosing its way and considering the disasterous effect a hard Brexit is likely to have on our country it is time for parliament to flex its muscle and say NO

The Brexiteers seem to be bullying anyone who dares to question them harking back to "The Will of People" in the referendum. The referendum was called in a shoddy way and so many lies were told that the result does lack credibility. The evidence for this is the collapse of the UKIP vote in the recent election even in the few seats they stood in.

To claim that 82% voting for the two main parties gives a Brexit mandate is equally flawed. The present FPTP system forces many voters to vote tactically against the party they don't like for fear of letting them in. Of course a large number choosing Tory or Labour voted genuinely for the party they believed in but a significant minority voted for them to keep the others out.

Most did not vote to give Brexit a Green Light. Remember the 48% and the now not so apathetic who failed to vote in the referendum and protested after the event.

Please don't go blindly over the cliff edge dragging the country with you. Many recent polls in the Guardian and other respected media sources show that most of population would be relieved if Brexit were to be called off. Article 50 can be halted at any point.

Mark Carney and many other respected persons think Brexit is simply wrong, dismiss their thoughts at the nation's peril.

Kind Regards

I AWAIT ANY REPLIES WITH INTEREST

Probably, or he will hold back the waters so no floods!!

What, like no climate change?

Well now that Gove's bluff has been called I suppose it will be something else next week.

It shows how much in the past he is still living. Trying to get his own back for his dad's fish business going bust, even though his dad said it was nothing to do with the Cod Wars.

Don't take it so badly about being a laughing stock. The media called it that and there were some cartoons but it is old news and I never read it now in Germany. Nrs May was at the EU service of remembrance for Helmut Kohl in Strasbourg.

Her position at the moment is only one step out of hundreds till its all over with. Actually they are working away at their contracts and at the moment it is the situaion of the EU expats in the Uk
The media always has to find something where the Brits can boast about their sovereignty and at the moment its fishing rights. That always makes Joe Bloggs happy so that he has something to make a fuss about. He will find that oceans full of fish were the case in 1974 but it is quite another thing now and most is fished by the UK anyhow.

Can't be because of the governments wonderful housing policies

Lack of affordable housing obviously because it's all going to EU migrants.

You do wonder just how bad it would all have to ge for the angry brexiters to realise that they might have helped to cause these problems. How long can they, and the unscrupulous journalists who encourage them, go on dismissing bad news as fake news?

maize unfortunately there is probably more than a bit of truth in that list

I think my MP must know my postcode off by heart now, Maizie, and she's not been in for a month yet.
Have you seen she has her own youtube.

I wonder what they would blame lack of affordable housing on, Maizie.

Quite a few remainers haven't joined in either.

Just found this on twitter. I think Leavers will like it (though very few seem to be venturing on this thread...)

I,for one, am utterly mortified that we have become a laughing stock; that we have a lame duck government clinging on to power whatever the cost and doing a fair imitation of headless chickens. It's no longer the country I have known and loved all my life.

@James

I have indeed written to my MP and told her just what I feel about the whole mess. I doubt if it will have much effect in the whole scheme of things.

Neither is Ana, whitewave.

I'm not at all clear what you are saying ana

Is that the same Lord West who was embarrassed by claims that he had had an affair with one of the singers from Abba?
Or could there be two of them?

Sorry, Ana, but are you not concerned that the three people who are in charge of Brexit are laughing stocks anyway?
I always thought that's why May gave them the jobs. They wanted to leave the EU, but have no idea how to do it.