Cliff Edge anyone?

...I want to relate to people like Isabelle Huppert; not Nigel Farage ....

It must be one of the most lemming like political situations ever; I can't believe that someone somewhere doesn't stand up and say 'hang on everyone; this is ridiculous, let's not do it'[actually, the LibDems have been saying it for 12 months...]. And yet we can be astounded that the USA has elected someone like Trump to be president but can't see how foolish we look to the outside world. Isabelle Huppert said in the Times magazine 'I feel French and European. I think that when you feel both, the stronger and closer it makes you. England is already an island-Brexit closed the bridge for us. We were sad in France....'

I know Blair made some diabolical decisions. But this Thread is about Brexit and this whole sorry saga is to be laid entirely at Cameron's door.

It is a living nightmare - and I can't believe that we will actually commit such economic suicide, all based on false premise and lies.

And, to add insult to injury we have to pay for security for all of these ex PM's...

Just about as aggrieved as I used to feel about Tony/Cherie Blair's million pound property deals, the lecture circuit and then, ultimate irony, Peace Envoy to the Middle East !!
They ALL do it.

Does anyone else feel as aggrieved as I do that David Cameron is now making a small fortune giving talks about all this to his adoring fans.......

There is a school of thought that as I suggested above smoke and mirrors may well be useful. So for example May has (as usual) shot herself in the foot over migrants and the ECJ. So the idea is that it would look like the ECJ. Feel like the ECJ but not be called the ECJ. If May doesn't cock it up it is a way forward over the migrant issue.

They went on to be rather rude about Brexiters -which wouldn't help, saying that they were so ignorant that they wouldn't notice!! Not sure that is right.

There is still a long way to go though,

I think a huge level of thought is on those lines WW.

I keep reading it everywhere I look

I read an article by Dawkins this morning and he is saying that there never should have been a referendum on this question as the general population is far from qualified to decide such complex matters but that Parliament should have done its job and decided.

Well at least he has and excuse if it all goes pear shaped.

Davis after taking over?

So May has "hamstrung " her Brexit Minister. According to James Chapman. I wonder how true that is?

No, Jalima, I just wondered if there was anything more up-to-date.
If I want to find anything in February, I find it impossible to link to again.

That sounds quite rude djen
why did you ask whether or not he noticed? I expect if it was happening in February it could be a lot worse now.

Posters were mentioning personal debt so I dared to make a comment about another area where debt is mounting.

Yes, it is something he has been mentioning for ages and some people we know have gone down that route.

Sorry, I will leave it to you now.

Interest rates are almost certainly set to rise to try to contain the level of debt in the U.K.

That was in February, Jalima.
Was your husband worried about it then, or did he not notice?

Just for balance:

www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/767132/car-finance-deals-latest-lease-loan-mortgage

DH thinks that this is not helping with the looming debt crisis:

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/feb/10/are-car-loans-driving-us-towards-the-next-financial-crash

oh God

We are going to be a world example of how referendums should not be undertaken, unless the population is aware of the entire facts, and even then carried out with extreme care and with a very large majority.

Just read that some of the French EU maps have taken off the UK flag already.

The joke is that they are recruiting graduates who voted overwhelmingly to remain and who can see their life going down the tubes

On average it takes 28 months per individual trade negotiation. So perhaps the first thing ought to be fresh food? Although I do know that the civil service hasn't recruited yet - they are in the middle of recruiting graduates with food knowledge as I write.

We have a maximum of 18 months. Does anyone believe that trade negotiations will be concluded let alone even started by then?

France has launched a charm offensive by setting up offices in the UK and persuade b usinesses to relocate to France post Brexit

From what I have seen/heard about the consumer debt it has been racked up by necessity - spending on bills. Some poor people are in for a hard ride I think.