Cliff Edge anyone?

Even though they're not the government whitewave I still think other MPs are allowed to say how it should be done. They have been democratically elected and their voices should be heard. They need to have a plan too, so that we know what we're voting for.

It is all very well to say other parties/news article etc haven't published a plan they are not the government it was the Tory party that got us into this dreadful state, but appear utterly clueless as to how to rescue us. Apart from silly sound bites and tautology they have nothing to offer. Our country finds itself dependent on a team (I use the word loosely) who are cannot agree about Brexit and whose incompetence is almost beyond compare.

Oh, heck! It's not just chlorine washed chicken and hormone fed beef (see my post at 13.00), it's sanitised eggs, as well

www.forbes.com/sites/nadiaarumugam/2012/10/25/why-american-eggs-would-be-illegal-in-a-british-supermarket-and-vice-versa/#411c9f134050

(I've had eggs with not completely clean shells from my own hens, from friends' hens and from market stalls and never had any adverse effects..)

This guy did:

www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

Dr Richard North, a dedicated Leaver since, I believe, the 1975 referendum.

He's utterly appalled at the way it's all being handled.

This is his latest offering. Links to his other blog posts can be found on the right of the page. You can see by the titles just what he is thinking...

eureferendum.com/

I have no doubt that you could go on. But what should we have? What would good negotiations look like?

Of course we have plenty of consequences of Brexit now - divided weak government, weak £, worried EU citizens, businesses opening branches in EU countries as a safeguard, vast bills to meet for all the bureaucracy needed. I could go on ......

rar doesn't not having anything yet constitute a shambles?

What should we have by now? Does any other party (or anyone, even, a blogger, a news article, literally anyone) have a published plan for the negotiations which could help to quantify how much of a shambles it is?

jackofkent.com/2017/07/a-mandate-can-be-either-democratic-or-irreversible-but-it-cannot-be-both-an-argument/

rar doesn't not having anything yet constitute a shambles?

Good article worth a read from JackoKent about how a mandate cannot be both democratic and irrevocable. Good

Well, we do have something. We have a lot of very worried people in business and banking because there's no picture even beginning to emerge about where we will 'be' in March 2019. We have a government openly at war within its self over the form 'Brexit' will take. We have had 2 negotiation sessions with the EU which have achieved nothing. We have the prospect of chlorine washed chicken and hormone fed beef at the end of a rushed trade deal with a country which is, itself, in a state of political turmoil. We have a lot of worried EU nationals planning to leave the UK because the future is so uncertain for them and they feel unwelcome. We have the prospect of a huge shortfall in workers in the food industry. We have a weak government and an Opposition which isn't at all clear about where it stands.

And that isn't everything by a long way.

Negotiations with the EU have to be completed by October 2018 so that the EU27 have time to discuss the exit proposals and vote on them...

Worried? Why should we be worried?

"In response, a spokesman for Johnson said Cable was “making stuff up” and instructed the Lib Dem leader to focus on devising his own policies. “Boris and Philip Hammond are working closely to take the the UK out of the EU and are not going to be diverted from that important task,” the foreign secretary’s spokesman said.
Cable retorted: “If the foreign secretary is working so closely with the chancellor, can he confirm that he supports the chancellor’s call for a three-year transitional deal with continued free movement of labour? So far he has been uncharacteristically silent on the subject.

“It is a simple question: does he support the position of Philip Hammond or Liam Fox? Because he can’t support both. And if Philip Hammond secures a three-year transitional deal, can Boris Johnson confirm he will stay in the government and support the policy? It is certainly bold of Boris Johnson to accuse others of lying. How is he getting along with finding that £350m a week extra he promised the NHS?”

Divisions in Theresa May’s cabinet erupted after Fox insisted that unregulated free movement of labour after Brexit would “not keep faith” with the EU referendum result. This position appears at odds with Hammond’s signal that free movement would continue for a limited period in all but name, with the added requirement that migrants would have to register in the UK.

Johnson has yet to comment publicly on Hammond’s transitional plans. "

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/jul/27/steve-bell-on-where-the-uk-stands-with-brexit-cartoon

We haven't got anything yet because it's a shambles. They can't agree on anything.

Why do you hope any other country won't leave durhamjen ?So what, if they do!

We haven't got anything yet... so hardly a shambles.

Interesting to see where Labour stands on Brexit.

labourlist.org/2017/07/labour-eu-and-the-single-market-whos-said-what/

What it shows is that Brexit is not a party political issue, and that we should be given another vote when Brexit have been concluded by this government and the EU, so we know where we stand.
I can't believe that anyone who voted to leave wants the shambles we have.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/30/tensions-flare-in-cabinet-over-post-brexit-free-movement

They are all telling each other to shut up about it, while saying what they think about a transition period.
Iain Duncan Smith's contribution is priceless.
I imagine the EU are laughing.
At least having seen the turmoil leaving the EU is causing in Britain, it should hopefully cause any other country thinking of doing it to think again.

Missed that! Just the usual squabbles and warfare then. Wonder if they are ever going to do anything that is actually constructive.

The tax payers are going to get annoyed soon, as appear to paying salaries for sheer self indulgence and ego building rather than attending the needs of the uk.

There is a saying that in times of crises someone always comes to the fore to lead.

Well that's one saying totally rubbished. Never has a PM been so highly promoted above her competencies.

Johnson getting rattled. He's accused Cable of peddling lies, outside parliamentary privilege.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/30/boris-johnson-vince-cable-trade-barbs-resignation-rumours

I hear that Hammond is accusing Fox, Davis and Johnson of living in fantasy land.

Hunt has said he is behind Hammond and his idea of Brexit, so that EU workers can still come and work in the NHS.
I wonder where he has been hiding the last year.
Has he not noticed that EU citizens do not want to come and work in the NHS because they have been vilified by the UK for long enough.

Information from other sources

Chris Lockwood has said that he has learned from a "very senior source" that companies are planning to leave the U.K. within the next few months unless the government can come up with a sensible and clear plan.

Not sure war in the cabinet will do the trick

I am still -even if this personal jibe is entirely unfair and untrue- willing to read a reasoned explanation as to why all this suffering is worth while.

I could bet you a million, that apart from the economic effects, people will not actually feel a tiny jot different.

You see petra apart from the personal remark, nothing has been said by you that supports the Brexit outcome.

Whitewave
That's because ( so I've been told on here) I'm too stupid and unintelligent to understand the consequences.
You can't have it both ways. You want me/us to give intelligent reasoning but accuse us ( some of you) of being thick and stupid