Momentum are getting stronger

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/30/sunday-times-accused-of-antisemitism-over-column-on-bbc-presenters

Not just a left-wing problem.

Thanks for that

Possibly because they don't understand the difference or because they know that a lot of other people don't understand the difference and are trying to rid the party of a reputation that it has done nothing to deserve.

Thank you for that Ilovecheese. I agree that "support for the national rights of Palestinians" is as important as it is for the Jews. That said, if this is what momentum stands for, why are Labour councils adopting the International Definition of Ant-semitism to stem the criticism that there's an anti semitic movement within the party?

The demonstrators didn't want the definition, not because they are anti semitic but because:

" Some of the guidelines equate legitimate criticisms of the Israeli state with hatred towards Jews and therefore have the effect of suppressing support for the national rights of Palestinians."
Quote taken from The Jewish Chronicle.

There is often this confusion between criticism of The Israeli State and anti semitism. And is a useful confusion when wanting to attack the Labour Party

At a recent meeting of Harange council where they were pledging to adopt the International Definition of Anti-semitism, speakers were all but drowned out by the continuous shouts of "shame on you" from the public gallery by momentum supporters.

Who would have believed that in our country in 2017
anti- semitism would be championed by a group within a major political party.

Shame on them and shame on JC, until he sorts them out.

Anger as a spur to action is constructive. As a corrosive when action is not possible it is destructive.

So Is anger a constructive or destructive emotion?

It is obviously both. I have the vote because people got angry so I am quite glad when it is used to a constructive end.

Mine as well, whitewave, environmental science.

I think some posters only see the extremes of "Everything is totally wonderful" or "Everything is totally lost", just as they only see the extremes of total grim solemnity or total careless levity.

It is possible to be serious while still being optimistic.

Did I say everything is wonderful? I said "I don't mean sticking our heads in the sand and saying "Problems? I see no problems." I mean seeing the problems and believing that we can find ways to solve them."

Who is going round saying it is wonderful?

But getting really angry about things which you are not in charge of it self-destructive and not good for health.
Unless some of you are on the negotiating team and planning how to tackle it, even then anger is not the best way to solve problems.

Oh bother it!

MoNoploy

I heard some British MP (possibly even the Mogg himself, but I can't actually remember) saying that competition with France for the UK to keep the financial sector in London is to be welcomed because it keeps us on our toes making solutions to problems. Momopoly is never a good thing.

Seems to me that approach is healthy and robust and in the spirit of elegran's 20:34 post.

Perhaps thinking ahead might help, rather than going around saying everything is wonderful .If you don't acknowledge there is problem you can't tackle it.

And acting miserable will stop any of that?

You can think as positively and brightly as you like but the other EU countries will be laughing their hats off. Paris is already trying to take the financial sector from London, who know what other shenanigans are going on?

So I don't understand why you're not angry, along with so many of us with the way the country is going to hell in a handcart and no one seems capable of stopping it?

no-one seems capable of stopping it Quote

So is anger a constructive or destructive emotion? Will it change anything?
Will it make you stressed and ill?

Possibly

Being angry won't fix it, though, will it? Being angry with the person who led you into the quicksand wouldn't get you out of it any faster, it would just use up valuable energy. You'd have to think how to move carefully and in which direction, and how to get solid ground under your feet. That takes more than anger.

But Elegran; if I remember right you actually posted, prior to the referendum, many of the problems that a brexit vote would result in and are now happening. So I don't understand why you're not angry, along with so many of us with the way the country is going to hell in a handcart and no one seems capable of stopping it? My apologies if my memory is at fault.

Elegran your post @ 20.34.
My thoughts and beliefs, exactly.

We do not need to go down this destructive route. Only 37% of the electorate voted for brexit in an advisory referendum. Many of these folk now realise that they were misled by lies. The madness of brexit could and should be stopped.

What degree was that, whitewave?

WW My reference to subsistence farming was a response taking Primrose's tongue-in-cheek farming collective to another tongue-in-cheek level. I should have known that someone would take it as either a serious suggestion or an unpardonable levity at the expense of those whose farming is to keep thgem alive. It was neither.