Deselection issue in Labour Party with respect to Luciana Berger

Quite. Not everyone spends all day on here, although one or two seem to do...

Some even manage to be on for a long time without even saying anything relevant......

I have just heard Jack Monroe ( speaking on any questions) agreeing with the OP.

Or posting irelevent links

Why, dj, why oh why?

As I said up thread (or maybe on the other one) it's the intolerance that worries me.

Kitty, why did you not query Ana's comment?
Oh, I forget, you tolerate her.

So today I have done some shopping, been to a workshop about the Freedom City 2017 event in Newcastle (50 years since Martin Luther King was awarded an Honorary Doctorate), had lunch in Eldon Square (lovely day) and cut my hedge. Although some might think I have been posting on here all day!!!!

Petra, I heard her say that you can't tell your family that they suck for two months, then go round on Christmas Day expecting a roast.
That's just as applicable, from her point of view.

You mean you didn't fit a visit in to the Durham Gala, trisher?

Knew there was something else on!!! The days are too short, too many things, too little time!

I'll let you off, then, trisher.

You'll be pleased to know that I 'tolerate' you too kitty! Quite well, actually...

durhamjen
I don't know if there's something wrong with your hearing or your deliberately being obtuse but she definitely stated that Luciana Berger should not be deselected.
Perhaps your brain switched off at the part you didn't want to hear.

But she is not being deselected, is she?
There have been a lot of posts on here saying she isn't.
She is being treated just like any other Labour party member.

Did you not hear the bit that I mentioned?
She can't go around saying she doesn't want to be a member of the family, then complain at not being invited to the party.
Is that not relevant?

What it shows me is that MSM are becoming frightened of Corbyn again.
He's doing very well and they don't like it.

I am more on the side of Owen Jones.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/06/armageddon-labour-right-jeremy-corbyn-no-going-back

trisher, 08:45:55
No withdrawal. My original suggestion of anti-democracy would still hold. That is, I still think it would hold IF such a deselection as was mentioned in the OP happened during this government period, i.e. between general elections (see your "next election" bit). What I don't have a problem with is constituency parties selecting a new candidate for a new election.

I agree with Baggs' suggestion in general, because I experience it from the opposite perspective. I am represented at all levels of government by a Conservative, although I have never voted Conservative in my life. I would estimate that approximately 40% of locals are in the same situation.

Until now, our Conservatives have been fairly middle of the road. There are plenty of grumbles, but the fact that we don't even have a local Labour Party shows that people aren't on the verge of revolution.

Since the last election, we have a Conservative with quite extreme views and I've never known so many local progressives come out of the woodwork. We really don't feel that we are represented by an MP who has been parachuted in and really has no understanding of her constituency. Nevertheless, over half of the constituents are life-time Conservative voters and probably voted out of habit and because anybody else would be too extreme.

So turn that round...

I have no idea whether Luciana Berger is a good constituency MP, who listens and acts for her consituents. I know Liverpool Wavertree and it's the reverse of my constituency. The sky would fall in before people would vote anything but Labour, so they don't have much of a choice. They would vote Labour, however "hard left" the candidate is, even if they didn't agree with everything being suggested. There could eventually be a backlash, but it would take time to get an alternative organised and a great deal of damage could be done.

If word from street level is that people are dissatisfied with Berger, maybe a replacement should be considered, but not by somebody who fits the ideological stance of the national party, but isn't responsive to local concerns.

BAggs I have searched for info on this. It just doesn't happen.

So far as I understand the story, dd, (which is not very far) it is only the nine executive members of the Wavertree CLP who have a problem with Berger.

T, I just did a google of "Luciana Berger deselection". This came up: www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/labour-mps-critical-of-corbyn-fear-deselection-after-get-on-board-warning

When I did a similar search this morning, there was stuff across the board: Liverpool Echo, BBC, Telegraph, Guardian, Times, Daily Mail. Maybe your search engine is broken.

So baggs assuming I have this correct you want to argue that de-selection of a member of parliament is undemocratic, because in your view he/she was voted in by the constituency voters and therefore should not be de-selected.

You are keen to keep this from being personalised so we won't use a particular MPs name.

Is that right?

But the de-selection would not happen until the next election, would it? And it seems to me a very good idea that party members should be able to get rid of an MP who was not providing a good service. Are you suggestingBaggs the regardless of how they are viewed by the party once an MP has been voted in to Parliament they cannot be removed?

That's what I was going to say trish

So looking at selection and de-selection the Tories and Labour have similar procedures.

So you could therefore argue bags that they are both undemocratic

Is that what you are saying?

I assumed that's what she was saying.

I think the way candidates are selected is a more interesting issue in the long run than whether some gobby union official threatens Luciana Berger.

If national parties parachute in candidates who are totally loyal to the ideology of leaders, democracy is undermined, because voters have no choice (or very little). Voters in Wavertree will no more vote for a Conservative than voters in my constituency will vote Labour, so it becomes a question of voting against what you hate. If the candidate list is being manipulated by the local parties, it's almost as bad as central party control.

Surely this is one of the reasons that people are so frustrated and feel that politicians don't care about them.

dd that's what happened in Waverley in 2010. Berger is a strong Blairite and is friendly with the family. She was parachuted in, in 2010 with a great deal of resistance from the local labour committee. She was seen as a m/c Londonite who knew absolutely zero about Liverpool. So the local democratic choice in this case was stripped from Waverley. She is still a Blairite, voting for such issues as bombing in Syria and no confidence in JC.

However she has issued a strongly worded statement very recently supporting JC.