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Should Tony Blair comment on Brexit?

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Cindersdad Sun 16-Jul-17 08:56:21

I happen to agree with Tony Blair on Brexit but the leaders of the main parties seem to regard him as an irritation. Whilst TB made a gross error of judgement on Iraq his views on Europe appear to be better thought out. However, there is a danger that comments from former statespersons just muddy the already murky waters.

Jeremy Corbyn's response just harked back to respecting the referendum result with blind acceptance whatever the consequences. I just hope that sooner or later someone gets through to the automatons that steer the rudderless ship of state.

52% did vote LEAVE but that vote was influenced by lies, prejudice and a dose of apathy. Since then dust has partially settled the "will of the People" is now probably quite different and that should at least be considered.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 18:40:35

But Blair says he wants to stay in the Labour Party despite doing research about renewing the centre.
It doesn't work like that.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:37:31

PR whitewave, that would mean we could have as many parties as we want and then they could broadly coalesce to their hearts content.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 18:33:54

I know there has been lots of moves from the Greens of a broad left coalition, I suppose this is different

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:31:30

I think preparations are being made for a new centre party Jen. However, this is not an auspicious time. Much as they may not want to admit it the left of centre need the current Labour Party to balance out the current Tory Party which has been dragged so far to the right. There is no good seeing the Cons as a possible right of centre party (which they have been at times in our history) when they are driven by a hard right minority.

rosesarered Sun 16-Jul-17 18:05:36

I feel the same as you ww grin however much they may annoy.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 17:54:41

Blair has every right to comment about Brexit, even if he shouts it from the top of the roof, he has every right to do so in our liberal democracy, and as long as I have breath I will fight for anyone to do the same, unless they are inciting hatred, violence or racism.

I may not agree with a lot of what I consider idiots and what they say, but they have every right to irritate me to death. Just as people do on GNgrin

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 16:27:19

Why not renew the centre ?

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 16:23:14

For someone who doesn't want to start a new party but stay in the labour party, it seems strange that lots of his institute is about Renewing the Centre.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 16:05:54

Blair's article, GracesGran, from Blair's Institute for Global Change.

institute.global/news/brexit-and-centre

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 15:53:17

No GG

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 15:47:29

Sorry AB, I don't understand the question if it is intended for me.

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 15:38:03

Or Corbyn against anyone not fir left ?

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 15:36:39

I meant the interview on Sophy Ridge on Sunday today Jen. He certainly didn't make personal comments about Corbyn but thought he was not supplying the right solution to the current problem.

The SRoS interviews do seem to be released but this has not been yet. If you have access to Sky News it is being repeated at 9.30 p.m.

I was interested to hear (only a little) his view on how the Germans are dealing with globalisation and AI. Would like to have heard more of that.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 15:12:52

I found it a very difficult article to read, GracesGran, possibly because of my antipathy to Blair.
Does that make me as bad as Blair towards Corbyn?

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 15:01:28

Should Tony Blair comment on Brexit? Well he certainly may if he chooses to and whether he should or not only he can decide. Do I care if you believe he should or should not - not a jot. All I have to decide is whether to listen to him - which, from some of the comments I have read on this thread, is more than some posters did before giving an opinion or rather voicing a prejudice.

I found the interview thoughtful, interesting and he seemed to understand the situation rather more than most of the current politicians. I have no idea what he can do about our current trajectory into oblivion and I didn't get the impression that he did but he did seem to feel he couldn't do nothing which I would applaud.

Chewbacca Sun 16-Jul-17 14:15:03

If TB's "informal chats" with the EU have as much success as he did in his role as Middle East Peace Envoy, he'll be pretty ineffective anyway.

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 14:05:47

I marched in London and Cardiff against Iraq war but it doesn't change my opinion on Blair , he and Brown brought the party out if the wilderness years , won three elections and I never considered him to be to the right. He will be for the far left , who took the party into the wilderness years.

Welshwife Sun 16-Jul-17 13:55:52

Of course Blair has every right to speak out just as John Major, Nigel Lawson, Chris Patten etc.
I see that people are doing exactly the same about him as they do with the EU - dismiss all the positive stuff done over a number of years and keep bringing up a couple of points they disagree with.

devongirl Sun 16-Jul-17 13:51:07

ab when I said TB was a bit right for me, I in no way intended to dismiss his achivements. On the contrary the whole point of the post was to emphasise his part in the Good Friday agreement in contradiction to all the negative comments being made about him.

Lazigirl Sun 16-Jul-17 13:49:39

I agree Ab that the many positive social policies during TB's government have been forgotten because he is tainted by the Iraq war. I protested against this but I do believe that whichever government had been in power the outcome would have been the same. I am not a great fan of Blair's particularly the way he has behaved since leaving office, but I happen to agree with what he says about Brexit, that we as a country we are heading for economic disaster. If the Labour Party do not commit to stopping Brexit I believe they will lose the support of many of the newly recruited young voters who will suffer the consequences after Brexit of a much poorer country.

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 13:26:16

I so remember Mo at a party conference joining in Welsh night, with cries of 'get the English out' she said 'prove I have no Welsh blood ' much laughter . She was loved but her illness did affect her thinking towards the end

MaizieD Sun 16-Jul-17 13:22:22

Whatever anyone thinks of Blair he has a perfect right to say whatever he pleases on any subject he pleases. We have a perfect right to listen or to ignore him as we feel fit.

As a former PM he will be acquainted with many people from the EU and has equally a perfect right to discuss Brexit with them. And to feed back on anything not said in confidence. After all, if you were, for e.g, sitting next to Barnier at dinner would you just talk about the weather and your grandchildren? (this is an extreme, imaginary and unlikely scenario; before you all leap in and ask me when he's sat next to Barnier at dinner etc.)

Caroline64 Sun 16-Jul-17 13:20:41

Mmm, as a former student of Politics (many, many moons ago!) I would just throw this into the ring as it were...
Tony Blair is unique in being a Labour leader who was re-elected and had wide appeal to the electorate. As such the right wing have an agenda for continuing to vilify him - and they will then be quick to compare any future potential left wing PM to him.
Ever since the masses won the vote the right-wing owned news media have worked hard to put the mass of people off voting - by constantly denigrating all politicians as 'the same'. After Trump (and to a lesser extent Corbyn) they are now faced with the spector of mass participation.
They are right to be afraid - the essential conservatism of the propertied minority is easily overwhelmed when the masses are galvanised. Sadly part of the policy was not to educate pupils about our democracy - how it was achieved and the process itself. It ought to have been done as 'citizenship' perhaps as part of PSE but was never included because of the fear of 'lefty' teachers!The ignorant are less likely to question and easier to sway - history sadly tells us this.
So I do sympathise with Blair at having to endure such vitriol when, in my opinion, in a democracy our past leaders ought to be accorded respect (albeit in context).
Finally I would add that, as fans of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister will know, the civil service really run the country!

Anniebach Sun 16-Jul-17 13:20:38

Rigby, it is fair to list some of the positives from the last Labour government , now forgotten or dismissed, as a labour member I am proud of these positives

NfkDumpling Sun 16-Jul-17 13:13:33

Tony Blair may have been chatting unofficially to other EU countries in a way the government is unable to do and discovered discontent is more rife than appears. Perhaps there are several countries (including maybe even France by the sound of it) who would like to be "associate" EU members.

But I don't trust the man and think it may all be wishful thinking on his part. He seems to be good at that.