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Camilla at seventy.

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merlotgran Mon 17-Jul-17 09:59:58

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701896/Camilla-reveals-Charles-no-one-knows.html

Pity the photo is so airbrushed but I do think Camilla is an asset to the Royal Family and absolutely the right partner for Charles.

The 'should she, shouldn't she' be Queen or Princess consort argument will keep rumbling on until somebody takes the (brave) step of announcing that as the wife of the future king she will be known as Queen Camilla when the time comes.

IMO William and Harry would do a lot of good by publicly giving it their blessing.

Anniebach Tue 18-Jul-17 13:51:07

It was an accident because they were playing games with the paparazzi, unless it was true her brother in law ,secretary to queenie, flew into Paris , stormed the British Embassy took control of the hospitals, ambulance service, police, after the crash he flew back to England and Sir John Mortimer and the people in the village where he lived lied when they said he was in the church hall attending a talk by Sir John.

Or it was the chap on the scooter with a dog wearing a bandana sitting pillion who made the car swerve

Or the twelve men from .MI 5 who were seen standing in row, all in grey suits, in the tunnel who caused the crash

Riverwalk Tue 18-Jul-17 14:31:24

And I fully believe that Charles will turn out to be one of the greatest monarchs we have ever had.

Dauntless on what do you base that belief?

merlotgran Tue 18-Jul-17 14:39:53

None of those, Anniebach. To quote Ian Hislop, 'Anyone would think Prince Philip shot her with a blunderbuss.' grin

Aepgirl Tue 18-Jul-17 14:48:49

It's so good to hear such positive comments about Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall. She seems a good, grounded lady who has made Prince Charles happy, and never tries to steal the limelight. If William and Harry can accept her, why should others criticise?

Anniebach Tue 18-Jul-17 15:07:52

Wouldn't surprise me if some do believe it Merlotgran grin I think queenie was on the scooter with a corgi riding pillion !

Anniebach Tue 18-Jul-17 15:10:13

I agree Aepgirl , Kate does the same, no hogging the camera

HannahLoisLuke Tue 18-Jul-17 15:56:41

I think it's a fabulous photo. Obviously retouched but Testino always makes his subjects look wonderful anyway. Remember those gorgeous ones he did of Diana for Vogue? She looked modern and stylish for the first time without the constraints of having to dress vaguely frumpily as a member of the royal family.

Charles looks so happy and relaxed and I'm happy for them both.

grandtanteJE65 Tue 18-Jul-17 16:06:32

As far as I know there is no precedent for the wife of the king of the UK not being given the style and title of Queen.
It has caused problems every time a princess became queen to know what title her husband should be given, as the rule is that women take their husband's rank and style. This cannot apply to a queen who reigns in her own right.
Mary Tudor's husband Phillip, was known as King Phillip He was king of Spain. Mary Steward (Mary queen of Scots) was prepared to confer the title of King on her first husband, the Dauphin of France, but the Scottish nobles who attended the wedding conveniently forgot to bring the crown matrimonial with them to Paris. By the time that scatter-brained young woman married Lord Darnley, she had realised that Scotland wasn't keen on the queen's husband being styled king.
If Camilla is still a practising Catholic, it was said that that was the reason Charles could not marry her instead of Diana, then there is a constitutional impediment to her being styled Queen - which disappears if she is formally recognised as a member of the Church of England, and she might even get away with proclaiming herself a member of the Church of Scotland. Princess Anne, doubtless remembering the Princess Margaret could not marry the man she wanted because he was divorced, married for the second time in the Kirk (in or near Balmoral) if I remember rightly. The Presbyterian church of Scotland being less rigid about second marriages than the old fashioned amongst the clergy of the C of E.
We'll have to wait and see, won't we, if the present queen is as long-lived as her mother, Charles may well die before his mother, as women do tend to live longer than men, although Prince Phillip is still in the land of the living, so Charles is probably genetically programmed to live to a ripe old age.

Riverwalk Tue 18-Jul-17 16:19:59

If Camilla is still a practising Catholic,....

Has she ever been a Catholic? I don't think so - married to one, yes.

Rosina Tue 18-Jul-17 16:35:18

Camilla seems to be 'quite a gal', and an asset, as she has the ability to make people feel at ease; I have read that she is involved with several charities and I gather that they benefit from having a high profile sponsor.

I am certain that when she married the P.o.Wales one of the 'constitutional experts' who get wheeled out on these occasions said that the wife of the King is the Queen - end of.

sluttygran Tue 18-Jul-17 16:50:00

I have nothing against Charles or Camilla, and hope they remain happy for many years together. I do however think that they and the rest of the Royals are vastly over privileged and pampered to the point of ridiculousness in these straitened times.
I doubt that Diana was deliberately killed. It doesn't make sense. The establishment must have known that she would be far more trouble dead than she was when alive. I can't see that there would have been any reason to eliminate her.
As for all the 'kinging ' and 'queening', it's beginning to look irrelevant with all the terrible troubles in today's world.

1974cookie Tue 18-Jul-17 18:08:59

I really like Camilla too. That video of Prince Charles and Camilla giggling like teenagers by the girls singing a song consisting of seal noises to me sums up just how good she is for our Prince. They look like the epitome of soul mates.
Okay, it could be argued that they should have behaved with decorum, but I found it heartwarming to see that in some ways they to reacted like ordinary folk.
I agree with Anniebach too.

jimmyRFU Tue 18-Jul-17 18:12:05

I think it would make a difference if they were more tactile, even amongst themselves. You don't see William and Catherine holding hands much. She doesn't seem such a 'huggy' person as William.

Loved the photos of Zara, Mike Tindall and Mia because they just don't seem to care that they are seen kissing or messing around in public.

acanthus Tue 18-Jul-17 18:56:39

Nice photo, but definitely not the person I met last year! But I've no problem with that - if only all my photos were airbrushed instead of showing me as an old bag with a wrinkly neck. I think she's fun and refreshingly 'off-message' if the stories are to be believed. Such a shame that the old fogies of the Royal Household or whoever couldn't sanction their marriage at the outset. A lot of grief and tragedy would have been avoided.

nigglynellie Tue 18-Jul-17 19:04:14

You can't quote Mary Queen of Scots as Scotland was an independent country during her reign, not part of the UK. Her son James V1th/1st, of Scotland/England joined the two crowns after the death of the childless Elizabeth. The union was finally completed by the act of union 1707. Our English Queens started with Matilda,(briefly) so we are at number seven, if you count Queen Jane.

Jalima1108 Tue 18-Jul-17 23:22:06

Camilla is an Anglican although her first husband was a Roman Catholic and her children were brought up as Catholics, as is often the case.

BlueBelle Tue 18-Jul-17 23:30:55

I like Camilla a lot too always think they are great together and good for each other I hope she does get to be Queen I think Charles will be an excellent king if he ever gets the chance The two boys seem fine with Camilla too

maddy629 Wed 19-Jul-17 07:17:25

I not only do not think Camilla should become Queen, I don't believe Charles should ever become King. These two made Diana's life miserable, don't forget he was carrying on with Camilla all the time he was married to Diana.

Ginny42 Wed 19-Jul-17 07:41:11

I agree with Maddy, although I see we're in the minority on here! They were having an affair whilst she was married and after his marriage to Diana the affair continued. I understand only too well how destructive having three people in a marriage can be. It obliterates all sense of happiness and well-being and it's a massive struggle to come to terms with rejection and being made a fool of. They did that to Diana and they should hang their heads in shame.

If they're so very happy in their marriage, then it would be respectful if they simply got on with their lives living in their loved up bubble somewhere out of the limelight.

Christinefrance Wed 19-Jul-17 08:46:00

Saint Diana was far from blameless in the whole sorry mess. None of them came out of it well.
I think Camilla has tried to support Charles and has kept a dignified profile since they married. Let him who is without sin etc.

Anniebach Wed 19-Jul-17 08:47:53

Do we know they were having an affair right through the marriage? Diana said they were and the press supported the claim but no proof . We can be as sure of this as we can of the alleged affair Diana had with Barry Manakee

I do not accept this lamb to slaughter tale of naive diana

Iam64 Wed 19-Jul-17 08:48:05

The marriage of Diana and Charles made them both miserable. I can't imagine how terrifying it would have been for nineteen year old Diana to discover the man she was to marry in a few days, was involved in a long term love affair with a married woman.
She was immature, inexperienced and had a difficult childhood. I struggle to understand how some continue to demonise this woman. The book about Camilla polarises the debate even further, it promotes a Charles and Camilla and paints Diana in the most negative terms.
I don't care what title Camilla has if Charles eventually becomes King. I do wish though that discussions about Diana could be more well informed and a bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss.

silverlining48 Wed 19-Jul-17 09:00:33

I think there is a tv programme this week about Diana where both sons will talk about her.

Persistentdonor Wed 19-Jul-17 09:47:22

How interesting that so many of the comments on this thread are kind about Camilla.
I feel certain the last time this came up the weight was firmly against kindness to Camilla.
Surely it would be better if Charles stepped away from being heir to the throne in favour of William.
The cost of a state funeral for the Queen, followed by a coronation for Charles, and the cycle quite possibly repeated fairly swiftly would be enormous and crippling.

Rigby46 Wed 19-Jul-17 09:50:13

Good post Iam - she was the sacrificial virgin brood mare to provide the heir and the spare. As you say, she was very young and naive and looking for the romantic love that her parents had failed at. What happened over time was rooted in that early marriage experience I believe. Charles had quite frankly tom catted around with the encouragement of Mountbatten who, I believe was quite a malign and definitely old fashioned influence on him. Philip was no help at all it would seem. I don't think anyone now denies that C affair with Cam was ongoing before his marriage and afterwards. It's one of the hundreds of reasons that I have limited if not zilch respect for the RF - all the senior members knew exactly what was happening and let it.