Fight "Brexit" if you want to

Will of the people, whitewave?

We had more say when the EU was trying for TTIP, enough to stop it. I wonder if this government will listen to us the consumer and user of the NHS to the same extent that it will be stopped if the consumer is too alarmed at the consequences?

A government press release.

“International Trade Secretary and President of the Board of Trade, The Rt Hon Dr Liam Fox MP, will travel to Washington to launch the first trade and investment working group meeting on Monday 24 July with US Trade Representative, Ambassador Lighthizer.”

Notice the wording? “Trade and investment” working group meeting. Remember TTIP – the Transatlantic “Trade and Investment” Partnership? The proposed agreement between the US and EU was vetoed after protests that it would harm workers’ and consumers’ rights, reduce the quality of goods to the lowest common denominator, give corporations power to sue governments if legislation harms their profits, and – in the UK – seal the privatisation of the National Health Service irretrievably.

“The working group is dedicated to strengthening the bilateral trade and investment relationship, building on strong foundations and meeting the shared ambition of both the Prime Minister and President Trump when they met earlier this year.”

This is TTIP on the quiet.

Here's a very interesting video about how we have shot ourselves in the foot over trade in services.

www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/euref-missing-debate#.V3UKvfkrK00

Today's fullfact on the issue.

fullfact.org/europe/can-you-be-single-market-without-being-eu-member/

Oh this gets better and better ww! What with your last post and the barrister

That'll be interesting, Welshwife, the EU saying we can't leave.
Can just imagine the howls of outrage.

I've just emailed the message tegan it is easy if you go on the Labour site and go to contact us.

This is my overriding concern at the moment; I'm supporting Ben Bradshaw and his stance on the EU.

I think that if you voted Labour and do not support Brexit, you need to feed this information into the leadership. As I think that Corbyn will be persuaded by the voter. He makes a virtue of listening and democracy.

I don't want to be considered part of the 80% that the Brextremists keep talking about.

Barnier will not accept reduced rights for the EU citizens in UK - the 27 may well not allow Uk to leave if they do no agree with the terms/demands etc.

Is that what you voted for, newnanny?

Voting to leave the EU isn't like voting for a government that you can change every five years.
It's giving up on 40 years of established law and expecting the hapless government to know how to extricate us.
I voted to leave so you just get on with it and make us leave, is what you are saying.
Unfortunately, they don't know how.

It would have been very simple for May to say that all EU citizens living in the UK can keep the rights they have now, but she even messed that up. Instead she had to say they can keep some of the rights for two years and then we'll have a rethink. Now they have extended that to four years. Wow! Still only some of the rights, because in four years time we might want to use them to bargain with again.

Some of lads at work voted to leave and even knowing what they know now, they would vote exactly the same again newnanny I agree we each have a right to our own opinion.

Personally I voted remain. I would do so again . But I do respect that the majority voted to leave.

Cindersdad I voted to leave I was not in any way confused. Why do you assume anyone who voted to leave was confused? I know about 120 people who say they voted Brexit and I have made of point of asking checking with each to see if they have now changed their mind and now wish to remain. Not one of them says they have changed their mind. Who/where are these people who voted to leave but now wish to remain hiding? Does anyone know where/who they are and how many of them actually exist? None of the people I questioned last week said they were confused when they voted. Most are well educated and none have dementia.

There was misinformation on both sides but people are not stupid and can see through this. Please don't assume because a person disagrees with you they are 'confused'. It is so patronizing.

Agree, Maizie.
I still can't see how anyone thinks we are going to get anything out of leaving the EU, and it is going to cause far more problems overall.

There was a list of the trade we do with all other countries. We can possibly double US trade providing we accept chlorinated chicken, hormone fed beef, and GM food.
I'm not sure that is the sort of improved trade anyone here wants.
The EU has banned all those.

Its my Rioja I am worried about newnanny happy to buy everything else British (where possible).

Oh BTW apparently there's going to be a huge butter shortage at the end of the year.

We could all buy British whenever we can. That way less imports needed. Only a little thing but something we can all do and I have already started. No more French brie and goats cheese I am buying Somerset brie and Welsh goats cheese.

Interesting comments on that piece, jen!

This Brexit is tearing everyone and everything apart.

labourlist.org/2017/07/barry-gardiner-customs-union-membership-could-be-a-disaster/

Back to Brexit.

Parts of the A1 still bring single carriageway . It's unbelievable when you think about it. The main road linking NE England to Scotland ! The road is very busy with farm traffic and various very dangerous crossovers. Many motorists take huge risks to overtake ( say) a slow moving tractor etc.

Sounds like the A1, ww.
Mind you, the M1 is almost as bad.
Both of them are an absolute pain to use.

I can't for the life of me remember the road but last spring 2016 we returned to the South from the Dales, and I think there was a 50 mile restriction the whole way. It took us hours! Particularly as I was driving at the time in a sever thunder and rain storm and went up a turn off by mistake because visibility was so poor!!!!

Our kids car mantra wasn't, "Are we there yet?"
It was, "Are we still on the A1?"

I don't think it's of 'no importance' Tegan (even though it must feel like it to Northerners) I think it's just a very slow process. I've been using the A1 regularly since 1972; upgrading started about 40 years ago, going south to north, and it's been a very long process (but continual). It's taken 40 years to get to Newcastle, at this rate another 20 to get to Edinburgh...