I Will Deal With It

GG you seem to know much more than me about how FB works. I don't 'like and share' these links and there are very few political ones but I can read them and compare and think 'oh, my goodness!' as I may on here, and I can delete any that don't appeal to me which I may do.

All kinds of things pop up which may be of no interest to me - and I only have a few FB friends so how anyone copes with hundreds I don't know.

What I mean is they need to change peoples attitude to tax so that everyone is happy to pay. Plenty of ordinary people moan about how much tax they pay too. That's what I'm talking about changing.

No!
Tax is something you pay to be part of a civilised society.
No badge of honour at all.
THe government should not be creative at all, and neither should citizens or accountants.
Ordinary people can't get out of paying tax. It should not be accepted that rich people can either.

The thing is, the truly wealthy are able to pay for the best tax avoidance advice, so they don't pay inheritance taxes anyway.
I think the govt needs to be a bit more creative with people's attitude to tax. Instead of it being a bad thing, it should be a badge of honour.

I agree mcem raising the inheritance tax allowance to 1 million would have been overgenerous. Supporting a political party doesn't mean you support everything they want to do; well not for me anyway.

Quite some time ago on GN there was a discussion about changes to inheritance tax.
Many of us felt that the increased allowance (to £1 million) was overgenerous to those who were already quite wealthy. This was when more cuts were being made to many inwork and disability benefits.

One poster in particular defended it vehemently because her family would now inherit so much more. Her husband had worked and paid tax and NI all his life (although she hadn't had to) so they were entitled.

That's why I'd find it difficult to be friendly with a true blue Tory voter.

It's the algorithm that makes the bubble Jelima not you

You could speculate about whether you're in a bubble you've created or not. What I find more interesting is that when people are put inside a different political bubble on social media, their views polarised.

I think you could probably justify the facebook 'bubble' is actually a politically moderating influence.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/16/facebook-bias-bubble-us-election-conservative-liberal-news-feed

I wonder GG if you regard dj's posts that challenge the morality and humanity of tory supporters as being like the ones you decried in your post.

Rightly or wrongly, there is a concern about anti semitism within the labour party which is why labour councils are adopting the International Definition of anti semitism. Thanks to Ilovecheese's courteous and informative responses to me on the 'momentum' thread I am now better informed.

I said your post was good GG because it was, I didn't say I totally agreed with it but then again I can appreciate a good post whether or not I agree with it.

I didn't say anyone should have to rely on charitable organisations, I was pointing out once again that you don't have the moral high ground dj and that your assumption that everyone who supports the tories, must be by definition uncaring, is as ridiculous as someone saying that the only thing that motivates all labour supporters is benevolence.

I am glad you thought my post was good Smileless. Thank you for your comment.

But why then do you do exactly what I described and start using the challenge of 'anti-Semitism' which you seem to be, totally spuriously, using to attack the who Labour Party. Do you really believe the Tory Party doesn't have it's own minority on the far right who would come under the same title? They always have so I see know reason why things should have changed. You might like to read this article: Anti-Semitism is a right-wing problem

You are doing just what I decried in my "good post". Such posts as yours remind me of the religious controversies we know took place in the middle ages when the argument would be over how many angels could stand on the point of a pin.

All poor are deserving dj but not all who claim benefits are genuinely in need for eg. several years ago there was a man who went to the same gym as me. He'd catch the train into town, walk to the gym using 2 crutches, ditch them in the changing rooms and then run on the treadmill. He was receiving disability benefits but clearly didn't deserve them.

I don't think the people I am concerned with should rely on charitable institutions. Nobody should have to rely on handouts and foodbanks in the fifth or sixth richest country in the world, depending on which figures you use.
That's the difference between your friends and mine, Smileless.

I didn't know that GG, not that I use FB; interesting though.

"How many tories do you know? Because I know plenty who support charitable institutions and want those in genuine need to receive all they are entitled too and deserve."

Who decides who is genuinely in need?
Deserving and undeserving poor.

It's the algorithm that makes the bubble Jelima not you. It's called a Filter Bubble. If you had friends on FB, one from each party and you get to see (as you will) the posts they have liked and shared. You will then like and share any that appeal to you. You will then have filtered back to you posts that are like the ones you have liked and share. You will not have ones similar to the ones you ignore come up as 'recommended' or 'sponsored' posts. This is what creates the bubble not you.

I can tell by their FB posts!!
That was what I meant

No dj not deserving and undeserving poor. I said all who are in genuine need. Not all who receive financial assistance are in genuine need.

I've thanked you for your post on the momentum thread Ilovecheese and in response to dj will make a couple of small changes to your final point on this thread.

By pretending that all tories are heartless, with no care for those less fortunate than themselves is a way to attack those who are critical of the labour party.

If you don't discuss politics with them, how do you know what their political views are?

I have friends I don't discuss politics with, too. But they are not the ones I am talking about on here.

ps and they were happily married for 55 years until DF died.

I didn't look for Tories to be friends with - they just happened to be friends from the age of about 5!
I didn't ask their political aspirations when we were at infant school and don't really discuss politics with them now on the rare occasions I see them.

I was brought up by a staunch Labour father as I have said before. And a Tory mother!

I don't go on facebook, Jalima, so that doesn't happen, but really, why should I look for Tories to be friends with?
A bit difficult where I live to find the Tories. Anyway, I was brought up by Tory parents and was inundated with articles from the DM by my well-meaning mother.

I read enough responses on threads and news links to know what Tories think. There's definitely no bubble, even on Guardian and i articles.

not er - all

Perhaps it is a good idea to mix more with other people who have different views on how to achieve all that. If all the links and FB links someone receives are from 'like-minded people' and all friends and relatives are 'like-minded' it could form a kind of bubble.

Perhaps problems arise then and the only other perception is that everyone else is 'wicked'.
I only have a few FB friends but they are er diverse with eclectic views.

It's that useful confusion again.
Being critical of the actions of the Israeli State is not the same as being anti-semitic.

But pretending that it is, is a way to attack some Labour Supporters who are critical of the Israeli State

I don't know any socialists who are anti-semitic.