I Will Deal With It

Start a new Government Watch djen .......The Argy Bargy has reached a thousand posts too. A new one has been started.

For those of you who don't like to read links.

Signed by George Osborne.

Exactly, Jalima. Some of us care about what's happening in the world; others don't.

Just seen an interesting post about Tories saying they would abolish tuition fees.

skwawkbox.org/2017/07/26/tories-promised-to-abolish-tuitionfees-wheres-that-in-media-now/

Anyone complaining about that gross u-turn?

Some people complain about threads becoming too personal.
I suppose it depends on whether or not calling someone 'parochial' is thought to be an insult - it could be a compliment.
I had a friend who said she was 'proud to be parochial', she had had enough of being 'worldly'.

And saying that posters are 'playing games' which is an attempt to invalidate other opinions.

I haven't heard any chanting either.

Exactly Primrose65 so perhaps a little real debate rather than' Corbyn doesn't mean what he says although I don't understand it anyway.
Perhaps you could post some ideas about how student debt will or should be handled.

Government watch has reached a thousand posts, so we need a new one if we can't debate strong and stable on here.

It's all about what politicians say and then don't stick to - except that Corbyn is being berated for not sticking to a promise that he can't keep because he isn't in power.

Here's an idea. All those of you who think he goes back on promises should vote for him at the next election so that you can find out if he keeps his promises better than Maybot.

If we are debating what "I will deal with it" means in minute detail could we also look at what "Strong and Stable" actually means.
Er, no. That's a different thread. It's called 'government watch'. It's very boring if every thread is the same.

Oh I'm pleased the Tories dropped the policies. Unfortunately there will be people who think this is an example of how caring and listening they are, it isn't . It's a cynical gesture to cling on to power and much the same as bribing the DUP and both of them are despicable.
If we are debating what "I will deal with it" means in minute detail could we also look at what "Strong and Stable" actually means.
I will volunteer this - "Strong" we will depend on the votes of a few MPs whose beliefs would take us back to the Stone Age and then only because we have bought them
"Stable" we will shilly -shally between policies making things up, dropping things we think will not make us as popular as we would like to be, and keeping the real policies at our heart a secret (apart from Jacob Rees Mogg who we can't shut up, but everybody thinks is a joke anyway)

Some people complain about threads becoming too personal.
Some people want it to be personal.
Can't win.

Well I've never chanted "oh how we remember strong and how we remember stable, where are they now?" gg and as for your first paragraph well I think that's an extremely apt description of you.

Words matter, even just a few which is the premise of the OP; if someone says 'I'll deal with it', what would you expect.

Thank you Eloethan for answering my question.

Yes Primrose to stop the discussion or at least put posters off who have a different opinion.

What really annoys me roses is when a question is asked of a poster to the thread and not the poster directly.

I have already said it was no doubt a relief to many that the policies were dropped. The point is, it might be short-lived relief if the Conservatives get an overall majority in the future. Relief yes, credit for the decision on the grounds that they were adopting a more listening/caring stance, no.

Roses and Smileless It's all done to stop the discussion. Attack TM, the posters, their opinions - it's pathetic but the only thing they can think of doing. I'm just not engaging with it anymore. If they don't like what I post, they can 'Deal with it'

It is a personal question ( asking a poster to declare a political allegiance).
If it's stated, then fine, but we don't have to answer anything of that nature unless we want to, be it hair colour, number of DGC or what we vote.
Nobody is 'playing games' on here, it is all discussion, but saying that somebody is
Doing so ( or asking if they are) is simply a way of trying to annoy that poster ( ie.
Playing games!) The irony of it! ?
If posters don't like the policies that were dropped, then it should be a relief to them that they have been ( but that would be too simple and honest.)

No point in asking you Smileless as you really aren't interested in what anyone else says. You attempt to tie people in knots by insisting, really, really insisting on a few words and woe betide anyone who doesn't reply to just the words of your mantra - then you seem quite put out.

So the 4 points in your post of 25th July 22.17 are totally irrelevant to the question I asked.

You seem to just want people to say what you want them to say whether they agree or not. My points were relevant to MY answer to your question even if what you really want is for me just to agree with you: I don't. You and Primrose seem to think bringing things down to a chant - oh how we remember strong and how we remember stable, where are they now? - this just isn't enough for some of us - and probably never will be.

Apologies dj my post is regarding gg's remarks, not yours.

I asked the same question twice yesterday afternoon dj and the only person who answered was devongirl. I didn't ask why the policies were dropped, I know why, I asked why some don't say they're pleased that they've been dropped. So the 4 points in your post of 25th July 22.17 are totally irrelevant to the question I asked.

If you want to know whether or not I'm playing games, why don't you ask me?

I'm pretty certain that Darnsarf isn't my mother but is clearly someone willing to enter into a discussion and respect the views of others even though they differ from her own.

That isn't a question Primrose. You are acting more like the disciple of a religion chanting out a phrase - which means nothing to many others - and expecting us to express belief or not. You put forward no argument to substantiate the weird little chant.

Why have you gone so far from the topic of the thread if you are happy to answer questions on it?

I can't see how a question can be seen as a personal intrusion when the person to whom the question is addressed is completely anonymous. It makes me wonder why you are so reluctant to disclose your affiliations. Wasn't it you who said a month or so ago that you had attended a political meeting in central London? So presumably you have some involvement in politics.

dj happy to answer questions applicable to the thread or my posts. I'm not answering personal questions though!

She's doing it again. No answer, just questions.

Eloethan Just trying to see how the metric is applied. War/gold or just Tories? What's your view?

I have little admiration for Alan Sugar whose rude and abrasive manner on The Apprentice, in my opinion, set a really bad example for aspiring managers and entrepreneurs.

My feeling is that if Alan Sugar doesn't rate you or like you, you must be doing something right.

Primrose I gather that you have little time for Corbyn or the Labour Party. Do you support a party or would you describe yourself as someone who is intereted in political issues but has no political affiliation?

Does that mean the next labour government will enter a futile war and sell our gold reserves at the lowest price in 20 years because the scorpion always does the same thing because it is it's nature
Or does that analogy only hold for the Tories?

But that's exactly what happens on the political forums isn't it? Round and round in circles. The same arguments. The same points of view. And that's fine until someone goes against your opinion.