I Will Deal With It

My thoughts exactly, nightowl

This is one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever seen on gransnet. To summarise: Jeremy Corbyn said the Labour Party would abolish tuition fees for students starting university in 2017/18. This was included in the Labour Party manifesto. He also commented that students with large existing debts would be disadvantaged when compared to those who had attended university before or after them. He said he would look at ways of ameliorating those debts. As the Labour Party did not win the election, can someone please explain to me how both those promises, according to some posters, have now been revealed as lies?

Do you know anyone currently or even recently at university RaR?

I agree Eloethan, it was certainly good to see what was actually said. I find it much easier to have an opinion on that and I feel happy to follow this as every party looks at Student Loans, either to extend them (as is happening this year) or deal with them in a different way.

When we discussed the dropping of debts in the election thread, not one Corbyn fan said it wasn't true, it was defended along with the free school meals for every child and free music kessins for every child, why defend it if it wasn't thought to be true ? All the Corbynites are doing now is repeating the denials he made at the weekend .

Is it possible to find that thread and if so, how please ?

Should be trisher ( about expanding the mind) a lot seem to use Uni to go on a three year drinking binge.
In any case, the mind expanding part of Uni is hardly worth a huge debt.
It all needs rethinking, and if the young people themselves , plus their teachers/advisors,/parents really thought about it, a lot of them would not go at all.

So, he will 'deal with it' by giving them longer to pay up! Hardly dealing with it eh?

I don't mind a Labour-bashing thread as long as the 'facts' being used to bash Labour are actually true.

Blimey, can't we have even one Labour-bashing thread?

(Don't bother answering, I know politics is deadly serious...)

vampirequeen Thank you for posting exactly what Corbyn said - I hadn't seen the full text and what he said confirmed what some of us thought his "deal with it" meant.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/07/19/i-m-working-class-and-have-just-dropped-out-of-university-do

It's only those who care about the truth who watch that video, vampirequeen.
Maybe if we have a couple more pages we should put it on again, and hope that someone else will realise they have been misled once more by the DM.
Not holding my breath, though.

My DD was asked if she had student debt but not how much it was, so I don't think you were being misleading Devorgilla maybe different lenders look at it differently. Having said that my DD wasn't applying for her first mortgage she was applying to take over an existing joint mortgage she held with her ex partner . No easy thing.

Actually, Nightowl, having just spoken to my youngest on the phone, I must clarify my post on student debt and mortgage. When she told me it was not taken into account she meant that they said it was never seen as part of income by the earner as, like tax, it comes out automatically. As such the provider has no claim on the property which is what worries mortgage lenders when there is a debt to be cleared tied to the purchase of the house such as a loan to buy from a relative which is not a gift. Apologies for misleading posters.

Thank you, Vampirequeen.

Regardless of if your students pay or not the question still applies newnanny why is education free until 18 and not after that? Not really to do with being an adult as students can do an extra year in 6th form and pass 18 but no one turns up and charges them!
I really don't care how much your DD owed or is repaying. As a system the loans system is broken. Even the most optimistic forecasters can't see it is going to improve.
The idea that any education is wasted should be an anathema to someone in teaching. Just because you don't use your degree doesn't make it a waste of time. Education is about developing and expanding your mind and should be regarded as an end in itself and not just a step on a career ladder.

I haven't really followed this thread because I've not felt up to arguments but I was asked a question earlier. I'm sorry if this has been talked about before.

This is what Corbyn actually said in the interview with the NME. He doesn't say he will write off student debts.

JC: “First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether. We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden. I don’t have the simple answer for it at this stage – I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this – but I’m very well aware of that problem. And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

Read more at www.nme.com/features/jeremy-corbyn-interview-2017-cover-feature-labour-2082433#Xj7hxczGXyzFkDvt.99

This sums up my DD newnanny she does not use her degree but worked in McDonalds right through uni where she eventually did her retail management training (second to none) . She now works for a well known coffee chain. Using her management training but not her degree.

anniebach I think we all have got your view of Corbyn. You strongly dislike him and his policies! That is absolutely not a problem as each is entitled to their own political opinion. What is tiresome is the repetitive nature of your vitriol!

I do not admire Teresa May's policies. I knew TM about 30 years ago on her journey to becoming PM. She was a local councillor in Merton at the time and we saton the same GB. I did not dislike her personally but totally opposed her political stance. It is possible to oppose policies without using such emotive and malign language.

We could have better political debates if we looked at policy and not personality.

I know a couple of graduates with good degrees in English and history who work in pub on shifts. They have tried for so many jobs but not enough graduate jobs for all graduates. One student who was in my tutor group was a lovely girl who got a first class degree for History and she was really responsible and hard working and would have been an asset to any business, yet could still not get a graduate job and in the end went back to work at Tesco where she had worked part-time whist at Sixth Form. She told me she would have to eventually do their graduate retail training although this was not what she wanted to do but could see no other option.

If they want to go because all their friends are and its the thing to do then they will have to pay as their friends are. My DS1 had good enough grades to go to university but decided he would be better off driving a lorry which he enjoys so we helped him achieve that and it was a lot cheaper than university fees then or now. We gave him lump sum to cover difference we had given DD. Each child was given the same total amount. DS has job and lump sum and DD has job and still some debt left.

My DD is a perfect example of this newnanny . Although she didn't go because any of her friends were going. They didn't and on the whole ended up with better jobs.

Why is criticism of the government acceptable and assumed justified, but criticism of Corbyn is either based in hatred or is dismissed as a slagging thread.

Rather worrying to read women so protective of this man in my opinion.

He is a politician, he is not a saint, he is not above critcism , he does not have every female voter in the country wanting to be his Mummy

But they want to go because all their friends are, and it's 'the thing to do'...

There are not enough graduate jobs for all students who graduate. So many end up in jobs they could have had without a degree so debt for nothing.