I Will Deal With It

Hmm...seemed a lot of them voted LibDem when they promised not to introduce fees (and couldn't keep that promise, of course).

It's about student fees.
If the Tories want to win the next election, according to some on here, all they have to do is promise to abolish student fees and fickle students will flock to the Tories, as if that's all they care about. I think you'll find it isn't.

Exactly Annibach

This isn't about May , there are Tory threads, this is about what was taken as a promise by Corbyn when he said 'I Will Deal With It ' I accept bringing May into it is the usual way to divert a thread away from any criticism of the blessed Jeremy

What about it? This is a thread about Corbyn.

May voted against bringing in student fees in the first place. What about her support for increasing them to £9000?

Spot on MOinca, and this is what has been taking place since a far left leader was elected

Then instead of saying 'I Will Deal with it' why not say ' I hope we can find ways to help with these debts '.

Hence jy question , what would you expect if someone said to you 'I Will Deal With It'

What JC did not say in his Marr show interview is that you can pack a consistency party association with people from one side of a political party and get them to campaign to deselect the constituency MP and look virtuous and say that is the choice of the people at constituency level.

Other people call it entryism. It is not just political parties that suffer (encourage?) this. Other group are also prone to it. Look at what has happened to the RSPCA as a result of animal rights and anti-hunting activists joining in large numbers.

The only consolation, as the RSPCA debacle has illustrated is that 'entryism' in any form is eventually destructive of the organisation it seeks to enter and take over.

According to the link I posted, he certainly suggested that he was thinking along those lines nightowl.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe he made any promises about existing student debt. Since when does saying 'I will deal with it' mean 'I will write it off'. As the Labour Party didn't win the election we have no way of knowing what 'dealing with it' might have meant. Simples.

But he shouldn't have made promises to young people that he would have been unable to keep . JC now admits he didn't have a clue how much this would cost . Should we assume this was just a bit of a vote bribe ?

It would be very difficult to fully know what can be done about the student loans system and student debt with out having all the relevant data. It is a massive problem and at least JC is recognising this and informing everyone. The rest seem to be burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will go away. It won't. It was a badly thought out scheme in the first place and hasn't achieved what it was supposed to i.e provide the Gov with a reasonable amount of debt that they could then sell off to the highest bidder. Repayment rates are so low that the debt is now toxic. So with no-one wanting to buy it, costs and administration spiralling, repayment rates low and the real prospect that a substantial sum will never be paid back anyway there is very little choice left except wiping it out. Of course the politicians don't want to say that because you will then know what a stupid plan it was in the first place.

I listened to JC's interview on the Marr show where, re deselection, he said it was the choice of the people at constituency level. The word 'people' means different things in this context. It is undoubtedly the right of people in a constituency who are Labour Members to choose their next Labour candidate to stand for Parliament. But it is the 'people' of the whole constituency who decide whether they agree with that choice or not. I am at present more worried about deselection of good MPs than I am about clearing student debt. The latter is a fight for the next election/Labour Government.

Yes, gillybob, very droll. Nature of the job and all that.
We will have to wait for a Labour Government to know exactly what is meant by 'dealing with it'. Rather silly to make grand promises these days. They do come back to bite you on the bum and take a large chunk as the Libdems found to their continuing cost.

A sheriff in a Spagetti western?

But he was not PM was he? As in other parties , deputy means little these days, think Corbyn and his deputy Tom Watson elected by party members, it is being said Corbyn wants to make Emily Thornbury his second deputy , who has two deputies?

He may not have won the election but the point is he was in government - and completely contradicted his own promises.

We have a thread on the EU

So anything said in the lead up to an election is acceptable Vampirequeen , if so why was Clegg vilified over his promise to abolish fees, he didn't win the election.

It's easy to promise the world when the world is not yours to give .

Oops wrong thread I think ???

like waisting money on the ridiculous HS2 vanity project that will benefit the South ( what's new?) when we don't even have a damned dual carriageway linking The North East of England and Scotland !

But vampirequeen Corbyn said all that about student loans and debts immediaately before the general election - obviously aimed at attracting the youth vote.

Of course, Labour didn't win, but it's probably just as well...

I didn't mean my comment about the EU to reopen the remain/leave debate. I meant it in the context of the government trying to use the Henry viii rule to pick and choose which laws they keep without recourse to Parliament.