I Will Deal With It

Democratic Socialism seems o be doing OK in many Scandanavian countries....

petra if I could see the point of mentioning a relative I wouldn't care who did it, but in this case I can't see the point. Nothing to do with disagreeing with anyone. If you can explain the connection I would be really pleased.

The Left will continue its resurgence so long as too many go to university

Tom Welsh

29 July 2017 • 5:37pm

The young have just had their first brush with the brutal cynicism of politics. Those of us fearful that a Labour government will lead inexorably to Venezuela-style ruin will have welcomed the downgrading of the party’s £100 billion pledge to wipe out student debt to a mere aspiration. But it will have come as a cold shower to the countless others who were led to believe that Jeremy Corbyn plays by different rules to other politicians.

Or will it? The contention is that once young people realise that the bribes will never materialise, they will vote for a party honest about the disastrous long-term state of the public finances. But it is far more likely is that they’ll continue their march Left, unless we address a problem that anyone who believes in aspiration will be squeamish about tackling: too many go to university.

This is what I can read before the paywall. Exactly as written.
Not pleasant reading, is it, and it says just what I quoted earlier. I don't need to read any more to know exactly what the rightwingers think about university education for everyone.

but I really don't see what our relatives have to do with anything
trisher
Does that apply to all posters or just the ones that disagree with you.

Read what primrose said, roses.
She said she would be happy to cut and paste.

I did say I couldn't read the whole article.
I would be very grateful if she would give us the whole article so we can judge for ourselves.

Well the news about law students isn't 'news' Primrose65 there has always been a discrepancy between those with a law degree and those being taken on as articled solicitors and legal training, for the simple reason that the law tends to prefer graduates from other disciplines with good degrees such as firsts in English from Oxbridge. The law students do use their training in other areas such as the civil service, citizens advice, debt management, and other useful services. Of course these aren't as well paid as the law but just as valuable.
(Son is in media as well but I really don't see what our relatives have to do with anything)

What you missed out durhamj !

Primrose put the article in context.

Come on then, show us what you have missed out, primrose.
All of it, as that's what roses says was important.

I'm as happy as anyone to hold politicians and journalists to account, but I really object to all the fake news out there. We need good quality, investigative journalism to make sure those in power are always aware that their actions are held to account. (Bit biased, nephew is in the business)

Well done Primrose what was left out was important.

Well, it would wouldn't it?!
Don't believe all that you read.

But that's not what the original article says durhamjen. I think the fake news generators bank on the fact that you won't access journalism behind a paywall.
I'm lucky enough to have access to all the papers through uni.

It's an article about lack of prospects for graduates.
"There is a chasm, for example, between the number achieving legal degrees and those receiving training contracts. Where do they end up? Presumably in careers far less lucrative than the law."
It includes a bit about groupthink
"In this stultifying culture of uniformity, different views are discouraged "
And concludes that
"When students can more easily identify which courses are worth pursuing and where they are less likely to be so dispirited by their prospects that they become easy prey for the far-Left."

Happy to cut and paste the whole article if you think I'm putting a spin on it, because I'm not.

Sounds right to me.

Tories don't want there to be too many university students.

"There was a remarkable admission in Saturday’s Telegraph. One that many of us have intuited for a long time but never expected to see simply admitted by those behind the constant attempts to deceive people into supporting a Tory party that robs them:

Being unintelligent and uneducated helps you vote Conservative.

There you have it: education makes you move left and reject the idiocy of voting for a party that has only the interests of its insiders at heart."

The article is behind a paywall, which obviously I am not going to pay for.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/no-corbyn-did-not-pledge-to-abolish-student-debt

The definitive factcheck on student fees?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-students-have-been-misled-and-lied-to-for-20-years

Irony.

durhamjen Sat 29-Jul-17 14:57:38
They just don't get it, do they, Penstemmon.

twitter.com/willquince/status/890530368843112449

trisher

Be careful GGMK2* you are in danger of being classed as one of the Socialist reindeer collective that are shitting on this thread! (and if you want to join you can't be Prancer or Comet dj and me have grabbed those!)
I'm glad you posted about satire I did wonder if I was losing my marbles even more than I thought, or perhaps someone had changed the meaning the way they seem to now, you know like the 'caring Tory party'.

The good thing is that younger people do not get most of their information from the BBC, they get it from social media and online news.

That doesn't stop me despairing of the fact that the Beeb has swallowed the Tory propaganda though.

Goodness, if we had been able to post "The U-turn That Never Was" on page 1 we could have all saved ourselves a great deal of effort, particularly those trying to prove their was a U-turn.

trisher It's satire. It's not about destroying arguments.

Of course satire is about destroying arguments. If it isn't based on fact it doesn't work.

Let's hope the younger generation appreciate the realities of the situation and aren't as confused as some on GN are. But then I suppose if you are facing ever increasing tuition fees and a debt for life you will be fully aware of the differences. perhaps if the posters on GN were in a similar situation they might try to at least understand what is happening.

I know * durhamjen* . Even the BBC Today interviewers allow people to repeat this "Corbyn has betrayed students" line without correcting them!