I Will Deal With It

POGS perhaps you could enlighten us on what you think should be done by someone who isn't in government and has no power . Or perhaps you could find a statement about what they will do by someone who is in power- Oh no you won't because there aren't any.
It's no good going to the caretaker and asking what he will do if your child is being bullied and then complaining that nothing changes, you need to ask the head teacher. (to use a simplification of the sort you favour)
As I have said before Corbyn at least said he would deal with it. The truth is that there is possibly very little option and the debt may have to be written off, because it is toxic and expensive to administer. Of course the gov don't want you to know that because it might lose them votes.

What are you on about POGS? I was talking generally, as you would have realised by my saying anyone and his/her.
However, take it personally if you want to.

durhamjen

" or just ignored it as it didn't fit in with his/her way of seeing things."

'Her ' was not ignoring anything!

'Her' does not care if other posters thoughts/comments do not fit in with 'Hers'.

'Her does not require posting between only 'like minded ' people.

trisher

I am not sure why you bothered to inform me of something I have not posted about or even said Corbyn had said.

1). I said it was not in the Manifesto in my post .

2) I said Corbyn made the statement ' I will deal with it " in relation to 'Historic tuition fees' and that is pertaining to the 'Historic debt incurred' . The 2 are inextricably linked in my mind.

I could have used the word debt I agree but as I used the word Historic I thought that would be enough for posters to realise I was talking of ' fees/debt' under one guise.

I am well aware Corbyn also said :-

" I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively".

So my conclusion is he was saying he ' will deal ' with those who paid tuition ' fees ' of £9.000 but not necessarily for those who paid less. That also is saying he will deal with some of the the ' ' debt ' for those who paid the £9.000 'fees' , the two are inextricably linked .

So I concur the Labour Manifesto ONLY states what will happen to 'fees ' from the time Labour would gain office. I do however maintain Corbyn was adding an aside pre General Election which he never intended to commit to but as John McDonnell said was 'only 'Aspirational'.

I was giving my opinion on the OP question which asked what would you expect if someone said " I will deal with it" and I gave my opinion which I stand by .

" It all boils down to it depending on whether or not you/we/I as individuals would say 'I will deal with it" and see that as a personal 'principal ' to abide by or say it believing it has no influence on our actions to the person we said it to."

Trisher, i read your comments on Corbyn promising 'I Will Deal With It' not as trying to explain the difference but trying to change what the people and the media believed to be true and he allowed them to believe . He never once in those ten days made one attempt to - explain the difference

Anyone who has been following the thread all the way through would have known that, Maizie - or just ignored it as it didn't fit in with his/her way of seeing things.

Looking back to the start of this thread I note that in the July Sky News story link it was Angela Rayner, the Shadow Education Secretary, who said that there were no plans to write off existing student debt, not Corbyn. He really is being accused of going back on a promise that he never made and that he hasn't denied because he didn't make it.

In the same story it says

In a key pledge Labour promised to scrap tuition fees later this year - and Mr Corbyn also vowed to "deal with" the debts of students who have already graduated.

He told NME magazine in June he wanted to look at ways to reduce, ameliorate, lengthen the repayment period or "some other means of reducing that debt burden".

To me, this doesn't look like a promise to write off the debts, it is a 'promise' (if you want to take it as such) to look at ways of ameliorating the debt. Amelioration isn't the same as 'writing off', it just means to make a bad situation better.

I don't think the passport analogy is particularly helpful. There's only one way to renew a passport; there are several ways to ameliorate a debt. Promising to 'deal with it' just means that he intended to do something about it.

trisher

" Try reading up on what is. being discussed and the whole thread "

Oh believe me I have been following it from the start.

It has been interesting but turned up no surprises.

It would be nice POGS if before posting comment people could actually differentiate between things.
1. The manifesto dealt with tuition fees and not with student debt
2. It was student debt that Jeremy Corbyn promised to deal with.
Having established that the 2 may be linked but are NOT the same thing brings this discussion full circle and as I am tired of trying to explain the difference, and the huge problem that student debt is now and will remain until SOMEONE) deals with it I am simply not going to explain things further. Try reading up on what is. being discussed and the whole thread and try not to simplify matters that are far more complicated and which need real attention (although God knows the government are trying their best to avoid the problem). At least Corbyn had the courage to speak about it TM and company are covering their ears and hoping the whole thing will go away. Or perhaps she thinks there is a Magic Money tree that will pay off all the outstanding debts the graduates can't.

'I think " I will deal with it " when said by a politician is about as vacuous a statement as " Lessons will be learnt ". '

So why all the fuss, then?
He didn't say "I will deal with it" in a vacuum. There was a lot more before that.

For heavens sake the truth is there have been posts on Tory threads that tell posters to basically bugger off if Corbyn is mentioned and there are are posts on Corbyn threads that basically tell posters to basically bugger off if May is mentioned.

There sure as hell are posters who write crap making out they are some kind of benevolent, kind hearted soul who are nothing but.

Welcome to Gransnet.

The OP asks what do you expect if someone says "I will deal with it".

The general synopsis in most dictionaries is :-

'To take ' action ' in order to achieve something or in order to solve a problem'.

If our passports were in need of renewing and my husband said " I will deal with it" I expect him to renew them. If a teacher was telling parents of a bullied child " I will deal with it " I would expect that teacher to take action and do as they said they would. I expect that action will be taken by the person who said it because they are making a commitment, a promise, a pledge and if they did not 'deal with it" I would be more than a little annoyed.

In the particular case of Corbyn and his statement over the 'historic tuition fees' debacle using his words "I will deal with it" he was at the time given a lot of media coverage and at that time both left and right media outlets viewed his words as going to take action / a vow, that is clearly evident in the headlines at that time. The evidence for that is clearly available. I use the words 'at that time' because obviously there has been a change in peoples mindset and media coverage.

At no time prior to the General Election did the question be asked of Corbyn if his words could not be taken seriously , the mindset was Corbyn is a man of honour / Corbyn will do as he says 'Deal with it'.

Fast forward and John McDonnell declared it was never a promise, even Labour MP's were doing the rounds saying it was going to be dealt with as their leader had said, Mc Donnell said it was only an 'ASPIRATION'.

It is true to say it was NOT in the Labour Manifesto, Corbyn did however make a strong headwind prior to the general Election with favourable coverage which Labour capitalised on , especially with the younger voters. Is he a liar, no. Can Corbyn be accused of a U Turn/ Back Pedaling , yes to some no to others.

Of course opinions will vary but to me it all boils down to it depending on whether or not you/we/I as individuals would say 'I will deal with it" and see that as a personal 'principal ' to abide by or say it believing it has no influence on our actions to the person we said it to.

I think " I will deal with it " when said by a politician is about as vacuous a statement as " Lessons will be learnt ".

MaizieD pot kettle I think.

I don't tell other posters what to do (well, I did tell someone to F O once and I asked Mair not to refer to Remainers as 'remoaners' when we were still being a bit polite to each other) nor do I make rules about what can, or cannot, be said on a thread.

OTH, it really pees me off when someone derails a thread by telling posters what they can or cannot say, or by moaning about being bullied, and a whole load of other posters leap in to follow them, like a pack of hounds in full cry. It seems so childish. If two posters want to have a niggle at each other I think we should just let them get on with it. No need for mass action...

I do know how. I just don't see the point.

What a pity you don't know how to do emoticons, durhamjen - think f all the fun you could have!

I haven't noticed primrose telling Annie to save the Corbyn criticism on threads that are not about him.
But then she wouldn't, would she.

Sometimes the spirit of what is said is more important than the actual words used in saying it - which is rather maybe where this thread started

Wow, Ana. You said that without a grin.

Just putting the record straight as to what was actually said.

Well literally that's true but I think the spirit of what she said was that May shouldn't be brought up on the thread Even if being very literal she was saying May shouldn't be criticised on this thread, that was still an odd thing to say. I think anyone can criticise TM on any thread they want and not just the government one and certainly they can criticise her on this thread.

Primrose didn't actually say May couldn't be mentiioned on this thread. Her words were:

'Save the May criticism for the govt thread - this is about Corbyn.'

I started this sub thread because Primrose said May couldn't be mentioned on this thread because it was about Corbyn. Thanks for saying it's OK ninny

You can mention her whenever you like on any thread what's the problem with that or mentioning Corbyn. No rules on here that I know of, at the end of the day GNs only a granny forum.

It's a reason for not being allowed to mention May ninny what's yours?

MaizieD pot kettle I think.