Venezuela

Annie
I feel a link coming our way any time now

Educated people do use propaganda

Oh no !!! So what your saying POGS is, Skawawkbox is a load of b******s.
Can't believe that an educated woman and a home educator believes this shite.

I certaintly wouldn't read swakbox, stopped when it claimed
Corbyn was very involved with the N.I. Peace talks , I am sure it said he brought them about. I was daft enough to ask someone who was involved, gave him a laugh

Abby Martin is a sandwich short of a picnic. She has some great '9/11 was an inside job' videos too.

That's the problem with these dodgy links POGS and why I rarely bother to look at them.
Nobody can seriously defend what is going on in Venezuela,
And expect the rest of us to believe them.

durhamjen

What a fascinating history to be found on Mike Prysner /Abby Martin and teleSur all mentioned in another one of your links to Steve Walker /SKWAWKBOX.

'Telesur (stylised as teleSUR) is multi-State funded, pan–Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network sponsored by the governments of Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Uruguay, and Bolivia that is headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela. "

I thought I would give your link to the left wing blog an airing but all that is available to read, research on SKWAWKBOX / MIKE PRYSNER/ABBYMARTIN/TELESUR etc. is leading me to remind myself of how your chosen links work most of the time.

I note in your SKWAWKBOX link it says this :-

" The BBC is responsible for some of the most disingenuous portrayals. They’re showing violent protesters as if they’re some kind of defenders of peaceful protesters against a repressive police force, but in reality peaceful protests have been untouched by police."

So if the BBC are discredited by yourself and Steve Walker, after all you must feel that as you are happy to provide a link to someone that has that view, then I will use another source to put a different case forward.

You were happy to provide a link to Human Rights Watch previously and I followed suit in a latter post. Did you read what was in that link? What do you make of the words of Human Rights Watch when they say:-

" Severe shortages of medicines, medical supplies, and food have intensified since 2014, and weak government responses have undermined Venezuelans’ rights to health and food. Protesters have been arbitrarily detained and subject to abuse by security forces."

" Protesters continue to be subject to prosecution for participating in peaceful demonstrations. José Gregorio Hernández Carrasco, a university student, was detained in May 2016, two days after he participated in an anti-government demonstration in Caracas. He said he was beaten and tortured and finally agreed to sign a confession. The torture techniques included electric shocks, choking him with a plastic bag, and placing a stick on his rectum and threatening to rape him with it. Hernández Carrasco was released in July, but remains subject to criminal prosecution."

" In 2016, Venezuelans reported being arrested during street protests over food scarcity—some organized and some spontaneous—and being subject to mistreatment while in detention. Doctors and nurses in public hospitals who have spoken out publicly about the humanitarian crisis report being threatened with the loss of their jobs."

So much more to read!

www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/venezuela

Returning to your SKWAWKBOX blog interviewing journalists who work for teleSUR the Human Rights Watch link says this:-

Freedom of Expression

"For more than a decade, the government has expanded and abused its powers to regulate media and has worked aggressively to reduce the number of dissenting media outlets. Existing laws grant the government power to suspend or revoke concessions to private media if “convenient for the interests of the nation,” allow for arbitrary suspension of websites for the vaguely defined offense of “incitement,” and criminalize expression of “disrespect” for high government officials. While some newspapers, websites, and radio stations criticize the government, fear of reprisals has made self-censorship a serious problem."

Presumably as Abby Martin and Paul Prysner work for multi state funded teleSUR they don't have any concerns in that area one would assume.

I have no evidence of a personal nature to know who if Prysner/Martin /teleSUR are telling the truth or not. I accept there could be an element of truth in what they say but I remain of the opinion I trust the BBC and Human Rights Watch to be telling the truth DO YOU?

The problem I have is believing the shelves full of food comes from the same site ehivh claimed Corbyn played a role in the NI. peace talks, this was a blatant lie.

If you read the articles you will see why, petra.

durhamjen
If it's such an open society, why did she have to film undercover? Wouldn't the powers that be want it known that there isn't a problem?
I think, that the people in the super market are all the 'chosen ones' just as they are in North Korea.

swakbox?no thank you , I like truth

skwawkbox.org/2017/08/11/undercover-video-shows-full-shelves-in-venezuela-supermarkets/

skwawkbox.org/2017/08/10/whats-really-happening-in-venezuela-from-someone-who-knows/

That's hypocricy for you,

I think the term is 'Rewriting ones history'.

An odd thing for ' any ' politician to do who wants to be thought of as an Honest /Conviction Politician .

They trade on a persona / stick to their fundamental values for years and seemingly are prepared to trade it all in for power.

That's politics for you.

Corbyn has deleted his praise and ambitions for the same politics in this country from his internet blurb,deleting doesn't mean he has changed his views.

I wouldn't mind betting Chavez would even be worried by Moduro.

It certainly is worrying to see how the Socialist Regime and Moduro have manipulated their way to Venezuela almost becoming a Dictatorship

It is no surprise the Socialist far left have been virtually silent as it has dined out on the likes of Chavez/Moduro for years , the Socialist idea of what we in the UK should look up to.

Socialist Moduro has just created a new legislative Superbody, the 'Constitutional Assembly ' which is expected to rewrite the constitution and obviously give more power to Madoros ruling Socialist Party. It has been condemned worldwide as undermining democratic freedom. It is nothing short of Venezuela becoming a dictatorship under Nicolas Moduro and no doubt if it remains in place eventually by his son also called Nicolas Moduro Guerra.

Nepotism has always been favoured in dictatorships !

On Tuesday, Maduro’s newly-formed “Constitutional Assembly” issued a decree declaring itself superior to all other government institutions, particularly the opposition-held National Assembly.

Democracy is of course a fear to those who oppose the thought we all have a right to vote, have a right to voice that is in opposition to theirs and will do what ever is necessary to stop democracy being upheld through fair deed or foul.

The far left smell the winning post, forget all the failed communist countries , ignore the truth and dream the nightmare

durhamjen
You have mentioned before that you admire and believe the reporting on channel 4 news.
They have done at least 2 reports on the situation in Venezuela, so your saying that that was all lies?

From a previous post.:-

" The state still subsidizes food far below normal prices to appease the poor".

Ye gods they are 'starving' , food is scarce for the poor! I cannot believe this has been known for so long and still Moduro is seen as doing a fantastic job by some.
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" At the same time, Maduro's hostility to foreign business has created a corporate exodus. Pepsi (PEP), General Motors (GM)and United (UAL) are just some of the companies that have cut back or left entirely. Unemployment in Venezuela this year could reach 25%, according to the International Monetary Fund."

Naturally! Chavez and Moduro have ' Nationalised ' swathes of businesses by fair means or foul , ( foul being a generous word possibly) , for years under their ' Socialist Regime ' costing Venezuela billions. Some of those businesses are now struggling but the Socialist dream must be defended at all costs .
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"To keep up, Maduro has raised the minimum wage three times this year. That has provided a little short-term relief to the poor, but experts say it creates long-term pain in the form of a worthless currency."

The clue is it's only short term relief , 'it creates long-term pain in the form of worthless currency"
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"Maduro blames his opponents for Venezuela's economic woes and says U.S. sanctions on Venezuelan leaders are proof the United States is waging an "economic war."

Of course he does ! Like his predecessor , Chavez , he refuses to accept he is responsible for the current demise of Venezuala and his Socialist Government .
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"Regardless of where the blame lies, humanitarian misery has followed the economic plunge."

'Regardless of where the blame lies' !! How can that term be used when the people are starving, the government uses violent methods to suppress opposition , the people are beaten arrested and imprisoned and the economic plunge could be the resort of so many aspects of how the Socialist Regime operates .

Yes the drop in oil prices is a 'factor' as is the fact Chavez/ Moduro have 'nationalised' so many businesses including oil production it has come back to bite the Socialist dream big time. That's why Venezuela is in so much trouble , it is reliant on oil production big time.

It is interesting to view the problems in Venezuela from the Socialist /Nationalisation principal and how Scotlands Independence 'could possibly' , I repeat 'could possibly' have mirrored some of the issues re oil reliance .

By the way Saudi Arabia is an OPEC member but so is Venezuela .

Humpty Dumpty words, Annie.

How can you wriggle out of "It was started because..."?

Do you know what, POGS? I thought for a while that your post was leading to the fact that Theresa May was tending to try just the same things as Maduro...

Quite simply explained Masie, you missed ! my first post which was a question two weeks ago , I knew nothing of Venezuela or why those poor people were being shot in the streets, I have learned much since that question , if I had known of Corbyns support for the dictator I would have said so in my first post and there would have been no need to ask the question would there ?

durhamjen
Have you ever visited these countries you speak so highly of. I appreciate that Venezuela isn't ( or ever was) your tourist hotspot but Cuba and Russia are perfectly normal places to visit, even more so for one who admires their way of life so much.
I think that would be no, am I right?

There was a link posted yesterday at 18.07 to ' Human Rights Watch ' regarding Theresa May and accompanied by the question:-

"Dubious human rights record?"
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Here is another link to Human Rights Watch :-

www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/venezuela

Extract

Under the leadership of President Hugo Chávez and now President Nicolás Maduro, the accumulation of power in the executive branch and erosion of human rights guarantees have enabled the government to intimidate, persecute, and even criminally prosecute its critics.

Severe shortages of medicines, medical supplies, and food have intensified since 2014, and weak government responses have undermined Venezuelans’ rights to health and food. Protesters have been arbitrarily detained and subject to abuse by security forces.

Police and military raids in low-income and immigrant communities have led to widespread allegations of abuse.

Other persistent concerns include poor prison conditions, impunity for human rights violations, and continuous harassment by government officials of human rights defenders and independent media outlets.

The Venezuelan government has targeted critics of its ineffective efforts to alleviate severe shortages of essential medicines and food while the crisis persists.."

It is worth reading the ' atrocities ' carried out by the regime in Venezuala under the headings :-

Prosecution of Political Opponents
Crackdown on Protest Activity
Operation Peoples’ Liberation
Humanitarian Crisis
Judicial Independence
Freedom of Expression
Human Rights Defenders
Political Discrimination
Prison Conditions

All the fault of Theresa May, Donald Trump, Saudi Arabia, USA according to some it appears.

I repeat

It will always be the case some who have feted the likes of Castro/Chavez and Moduro, those who have praised them and their Socialist Governments will continue to do so. They will apportion blame for all the woes of Venezuela onto other individuals, nations and organizations but at the end of the day Moduro is the one to take the blame for HIS actions.