Our country post Brexit

Sorry, Welshwife, I forgot to say it was from that link.
Lots of people don't like reading links, and I thought that was an important part of what Verhofstadt said.
Along with the rest, of course.

What is David Davis doing over in Washington talking to US reporters about Brexit?

The whole article is on that link I posted.

I saw another post today which mentioned the most important plus of the EU was keeping everyone safe from war and that this should have been made more of.

And the Japan trade blog from dj shows that May doesn't understand the principles of trade agreements. She might not be an expert on trade agreements herself, but surely she should have been briefed properly before she put her foot in it.
This Brexit team just seem to be trying to wing it ("go whistle!" from Boris for example) instead of doing their homework and tackling these issues seriously.

'That's what Brexiters were not happy with, and are now going to miss out on'.....probably because a lot of them didn't know about them anyway and no one seemed to point it out forcefully enough during the referendum campaign. Along with things regarding immigration that we could have implemented but didn't bother to .

This is interesting from Verhofstadt.

"Since the UK joined the EU, it has enjoyed a bespoke form of membership that is unique. An opt-out from the euro, but banker to the Eurozone. An opt-out from Schengen, but access to the security databases linked to it. A blanket opt-out from Justice and Home Affairs, with the possibility to opt back into the most effective crime-fighting measures. The list goes on."

That's what Brexiters were not happy with, and are now going to miss out on.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/08/31/may-s-post-brexit-trade-policy-unravels-in-japan

The drop in the £ is not too bad really against the Euro - yesterday it cost 92.02p and today 92.12pence.
Dollar now costing 77p though - very high against recent years.

Maybe some of your questions will be answered here Pog

Guy Verhofstadt has today rejected claims that the EU is being inflexible in Brexit negotiations with Britain. www.businessinsider.fr/us/eu-parliament-brexit-negotiator-britains-demands-are-not-serious-fair-or-even-possible-2017-9/

It is not a question of getting something in returnPogs - it is a question of fulfilling promises made and contracts signed. The EU works on budgets of seven years - the current one ends in. 2020 I think - UK signed to pay so much a year to cover their AGREED contributions - it is a percentage of GDP and all nations pay the same 1% or thereabouts. This what the EU are on about - nothing to do with future plans.
The UK has not until fairly recently advertised projects which have been funded by EU money - on the continent there have always been notices on all big projects telling where the funding is from.
The U.K. beaurocrats were doing most of the work in Brussels this week with some well informed and clued up EU Civil Servants -( I have not got that the wrong way round for whatever the words are in whatever language they all mean the same). The EU countries are not stalling - there are 27 of them and they all need to agree on an action - Barnier has their support to negotiate on their behalf and to the agreed agenda - the UK wants to stir the water and go on a different tack.
If you read widely about this negotiation and wha people who understand the EU and the legal constructions within it you will see that they all seem to think the UK Govt do not understand the workings. A retired British judge who was part of the ECJ for over ten years wrote an article last week about how Theresa May fails to understand the workings and obligations of the ECJ or she would not be saying some of the things she does.
Today there is a report about what the Japanese trade negotiators told journalists yesterday about the talks - they made it quite clear the EU and its wants/needs are far higher on the list that those of the UK despite what the press conference looked like later.

One in four leavers now say that they were duped and would change their vote given the chance.

Peter Hitchens of all people is calling for the UK to become part of EFTA.

They are for turning

Perhaps you ought to ask the government, POGS. They have the answers to your questions but are telling nobody, least of all the EU, which is why Barnier is feeling annoyed with Davis.
You can read the news just as much as we can.
If you find the answers, please let us know.

I asked , "What am I missing" over the subject of the Single Market.

I will have to assume , again, the answer is I am missing ' nothing ' as nobody has/can point me into another direction of thought.

' As things stand ' negotiations on the subject are not being entertained by the EU side therefore the UK cannot be a in the Single Market unless we agree to abide by the 4 Freedoms/Pillars .

Labour / Keir Starmer are promising the public what they have no way of being able to prove they can do . Unless of course Keir Starmer / Labour know already they would be willing to pay for the ' Divorce Bill' according to whatever figure the EU tells them it will be and without knowing what the UK would get in return, then I suppose it could happen but is that remotely sensible or showing any understanding of negotiating ?

If, as a post has mentioned, Kofi Annan is 'urging' the UK to keep Freedom of Movement why just the UK? Perhaps he might sound more plausible if he 'urged' ALL nations to have Freedom of Movement.

As for the subject of negotiations and payment for leaving can I ask

1). What sum would posters think we should pay.?

2). Why would anybody in negotiations agree to a payment when the other side do not even want to negotiate what you would get in return?

3). Has anybody knowledge as to how the EU has worked out what we owe or is it just a sum plucked out of the air?

As for the Junker and Blair meeting of old pals I think that has just epitomised all that a lot of those who voted Brexit see as the problem with the EU.

Beaurocratic elites who feather their nest on a bloated gravy train and are in an elite members club that they will bend over backwards to maintain .

It is getting really serious when the Tories have no one to replace anyone.

There is a paucity of Tory MPs with anything remotely like the ability to bring both the Tory party together and lead.

If Boris does the sensible thing and shoots himself in the head, who should take over from him?

Drop in the pound because they could not agree.
I read last week that some European said the UK wanted to have their cake and eat ours.

I love watching her on Question Time!

Not just insightful but a well written piece Welshwife.

I am glad she acknowledges that Brussels is the 'creator of surrealism' although I don't take any pleasure from the fact that both sides are making a mockery of their voters, currently.

Whitewave, the £100 million is to pay £20,000 for each foreign GP that can be recruited to the NHS. It's the recruiters who get the money, which makes it even more stupid.
I bet it's not extra money, either, it will be taken from the NHS pot.

Good article ww

Johnson will be gone soon - I bet by the New Year, as it appears that no one including the Americans want to deal with him.

I very much hope that what she says about Labour comes to fruition.

I like to think that Labour is playing a clever game, and will continue to pull blinders out if the hat.

An interesting take by BonnieGreer in The European

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/bonnie-greer-time-to-name-the-real-trolls-1-5174699

Kofi Annan has urged the U.K. To keep the freedom of movement.

The Nobel laureate suggests that it would have been expedient to use more moderate language throughout the campaign. Slogans like take back out borders etc are shaming.

Tomorrow my wife and I are taking part in an Open Britain Awareness event in Formby (Sefton coast) from 10 till about noon. I do note that Maybot, Foxtrot, Dithering Davies, and Blustering Boris are still upbeat about Brexit. They seem to be on separate planet to the rest of us.

The negotiations are going nowhere why can't they come clean. An increasing number of people I meet think the whole Brexit exercise will collapse and we will end up battered and bruised but staying in the EU.

A hard Brexit will destroy us and a Soft Brexit is pointless. Better in Europe trying to change what's wrong than out of the decision making process.

So despite the hype Maybots visit to Japan has gone down like a damp squib.

The much lauded trade deal is we are learning a cut and past job of the EU deal. Almost certainly because we have no skilled negotiators of our own.

We learned that the Japanese are extremely miffed because having been told so often in the past by such premiers as Thatcher etc that if they came to the UK they will benefit exceedingly from EU trade.

Maybot then made the faux pas of suggesting that Britain may want to revisit trade deals made by the EU and perhaps renegotiate. Well, she either doesn't understand the etiquette and law relating to trade deals, or she is deliberately misleading the British public -I would go with the former.

Some of this information has been gleaned from an article by Ian Dunt.

Just think what £100 million would buy.