Our country post Brexit

So much on here is silly gossip only.It's like a sort of mildly political Hello magazine.

Yes; it's a pity we can't do away with the gossipy silliness...

....and stick to politics.

Yes; it's a pity we can't do away with the gossipy silliness...

Isn't it just.

On Open Britain you can email your MP to ask him/her to vote against the timetable for the repeal bill. There is not enough time for MPs to discuss the bill, and they are being railroaded into accepting it as it is.

fullfact.org/europe/conservative-manifesto-single-market/

Tory party manifesto said that we would stay in the single market.
I wonder how many Brexiteers can remember that? I wonder how many Tories realise that they voted for that?

What is less well known is that our economy was not in trouble before we were taken over by the EEC.

Have you a source for this assertion, *CardiffJaguar^?

Because if you google 'Britain's economy post WW1' just about every result has the word 'decline' in it. We were growing more slowly than any other EEC country and our productivity was lower. Not to mention having to obtain a loan from the IMF in the early 70s. These are not indicators of a successful economy.

But the fact that you say "*taken over* by the EEC" does speak volumes...

Have contacted Heather Wheeler with regards the Great Repeal Bill. Not holding my breath for a positive response from her.

I think we are going to be taken over by May and her cohorts.

www.theweek.co.uk/88287/rule-to-guarantee-theresa-may-controls-committees-affront-to-democracy

When people voted to take back control, I don't think even Johnson wanted to hand all the control over to the maybots.

Faisal Islam - long read. Sky political editor

Some interesting points, over what is expected to happen over the next 3 months.

1 UK will try to negotiate a transition period -I wonder if this means extension?

2 The UK has accepted that there will have to be a form of ECJ

3There will be a financial bill to settle which is legally binding - at present civil servants are using a working assumption of between £30-£40 bn

4 Parliament will prevent a no-deal Brexit. After the election around 30 Tory MPs told the whip that they would not countenance election a no deal.

5. It is unlikely that any agreement on phase 1 will be reached before Christmas.

6 The time pressure is as a result of invoking Article 50 before any Brexit plan was in place and then calling an election.

7 The government has been told by business that they are not prepared to hang around until Christmas before making decisions. A ftse chief wrote to the cabinet saying that they must find the guts to tell the British people that Brexit is a disaster, and we must stop withdrawal. Investment is already on hold. So far in 2017, the UK has the slowest growing economy in the EU.

8 The devaluation of sterling has had a sharp effect on millions of people.

9 in the meantime the penny has dropped in Tory circles that they are likely to lose the next election. They have already lost the young vote, but they are now beginning to understand that they will very likely lose the middle class remain voters.

Much more along these lines.

Apparently Hammond has asked the 1922 committee for ideas to get more of the youth vote, as he can't think of anything himself. I can, but I'm not going to tell him.

This is from the House of Lords.

"Lords have accused Theresa May and David Davis of “selectively” quoting from their inquiry report and claiming it endorsed their Brexit legislation, when actually the study raised major concerns.

Peers on the Constitution Committee said they had in fact called for a “number of key limitations” to be placed on the legislation.

Baroness Taylor of Bolton, Chairman of the Committee, said: “The EU (Withdrawal) Bill represents an extraordinary transfer of legal powers from Parliament to the Government, without the additional oversight we recommended.

“We believe this will create very real difficulties for Parliament in fulfilling its constitutional role to scrutinise this Bill.

“We acknowledge that the Government needs significant powers in order to deliver legal certainty after Brexit. However, we warned the Government that such powers must come with tougher parliamentary scrutiny mechanisms and we are disappointed that we have not only been misquoted by the Government, but that our key recommendations have been ignored.” "

No help there, then.

Baroness Taylor of Bolton, Chairman of the Committee, said: “The EU (Withdrawal) Bill represents an extraordinary transfer of legal powers from Parliament to the Government, without the additional oversight we recommended.

Well, from the just about nil response from Leavers to the thread I started on 'sovereignty' it seems that they are either unaware of /don't understand the dangers this poses or they don't really care...

Maybe they are still trying to sort out exactly what they voted for.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/09/06/nationalism-is-turning-britain-into-a-basket-case

and a laughing stock.

I like the phrase "comprehensive economic self-harm".

Have a good day everyone who is marching today.

How much do you want to bet the BBC downplay the number of people marching; if they mention it at all, that is....wish I could be there....

Recommended read from the horse's mouth, and note just how selective are their quotes from the House of Lords Select Committee:

publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0005/delegated%20powers%20memorandum%20for%20European%20Union%20(Withdrawal)%20Bill.pdf

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/peoples-march-for-eu-crowds-of-antibrexit-activists-gather-in-central-london-for-march-to-parliament-a3630936.html

Bit upset today; have read that momentum are organising a march to oust Anna Soubry. Now, I thought that one of the reasons Labour are not representing me with regards to brexit is because it was a democratic decision to leave and they will not go against the will of the people. And yet, they are happy to march against an MP who has been democratically elected. Is this not two faced? . Or maybe it's because she is anti brexit that they want her out ....

It's because she is a Tory - I expect - what was her majority?

Don't you think they are doing it to win a Tory seat?
Isn't that what Labour are about?
Soubry and Rudd nearly lost their seats at the last election. At the next one they possibly will. Even Johnson could lose his seat at the next election.

Snap, whitewave.
Despite her views on Brexit, she has said she is going to vote with the government on Monday.

Her voting record shows she is definitely a Tory. She doesn't want EU citizens already in the UK to have the right to remain.

"Anna Soubry voted against seeking to protect the residence rights of citizens of the European Union and their family members who were lawfully resident in the United Kingdom on 23 June 2016. "

At least she states her views on brexit....

That's my family she does not want to have the right to stay, both my daughters in law and my grandson.