A divided society-what can be done?

It's a tough one. They say in the article that they don't know what the cause is. I think it's still correct that there are more smokers & higher obesity rates in the North of the UK compared to the South, so any 'health divide' is compounded by lifestyle choices. There are more hospital admittances for drug use too - Liverpool has 3 times as many per head as Islington (which is the highest in London). I'm sure that they cloud the statistics.
No one produces stats where lifestyle choice illness/drug use is excluded.
What I find very frustrating in the coverage is that people feel confident to say we have no idea on the cause but more money is the answer.

Perhaps she meant proportionately - either way the disparity in the figures I found quite shocking

Blimey - is that what we are?

'The most vulnerable and the most damaged of the population, who have had deprived childhoods, have unhealthy life styles and indulge in risky activities.'

Any other Northerners who think that's a bit of a rubbish generalisation from trisher?

I remember now - the researcher said something about the most able and healthy migrating in the 80s

I would think one of the most influential things on the disparity in the figures is the migration of the most qualified people from the North to the South. What is left in the North is the most vulnerable and the most damaged of the population, who have had deprived childhoods, have unhealthy life styles and indulge in risky activities. It also isn't unreasonable to link the deaths to the destruction of the coal industry. It's over 30 years ago and these young men would have been raised in the devastating years after the strike.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/08/alarming-rise-in-early-deaths-of-young-adults-in-the-north-of-england-study

It was on World at One- I'm pretty rubbish at this - sorry

I'm at a loss I'm afraid. Nothing I can find that was on R4 today.

Sorry maryeliza but you don't appear to have posted any links.

No luck posting the links MaryE but no stress. I'll try and find what you mean on the interwebs.

And another

Here's one link

Oh flipping heck - wrong link - will try and find proper one no wonder you were do underwhelmed Primrose sorry

He also mentioned the much higher suicide rates of the younger men

Trying to debate something here you lot - I heard the Professor in charge of the research on R4 and he said it was more than that - e.g. Access to resources. I guess media coverage won't do it justice . But whatever the reasons, it's an example of division

No Marie, I responded in kind to Jens accusation that I was taking a job from someone who needed one,

I did not say I did not support home schooling

The article seems to blame higher obesity and 'lifestyle' choices like smoking and drinking. I'm not particularly shocked that people who make unhealthy choices are unhealthy.

I haven't read one post which is against home education.

Hang on, ab. Weren't you castigating dj a few pages ago for home edding her GS and depriving a teacher of a job?

I wasn't ignoring your post Primrose or trying to deflect - our posts crossed - it always takes me ages when I do a link. I don't support JC or Momentum but how could anyone think it's OK to make people homeless for personal profit? Whatever party the person doing it supported?

But back to divided Britain - this is shocking news
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-health-gap-new-mortality-rates-show-how-the-north-loses-out-to-the-south-8653001.html?amp

Jon Lansman is a partial owner of a property company that buys up homeless shelters and evicts the tenants so they can be redeveloped. The other owners are his brother and son.
He's a director of a company Ortonovo Holdings that owns a 43% stake in FPC Convenience No1 Ltd. That company has a huge number of subsidiaries - but I'll call the whole group FPC.
Some of the hostels in London where FPC have done deals were Castle Lane in Victoria (sold to Land Securities for £22.5 million) 7 Dock Street in Aldgate, Princess Beatrice House in Earls Court, Judd House at Old Street.

I'd be interested in any of the Momentum supporters/JC supporters helping me understand how it's OK to make someone homeless for personal profit.

To save some frantic googling, it's been reported in the media for years. I like this blog post though, as it shows the beautiful architecture of the buildings in Victoria
1londonblog.uk/2017/03/castle-lane/

Didn't JC fall out with his second wife because of comprehensive education for their children?

The House of Lords exists, it would not be very sensible to not use it as a Labour leader

Maizie- I do think there's a difference between being a voter and an MP. I think the real issue is how high you set the bar. I think choice of selective education is fair enough but criticising the value of someone's house for example, is not. I was trying probably clumsily to say that there are more pitfalls for Labour politicians than for Tory politicians because of the differences in underlying ideologies and beliefs. I felt very uncomfortable reading the comments about HEd that were made because there seemed to be something very personal and unpleasant going in.

I haven't read one post which is against home education.