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A divided society-what can be done?

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trisher Wed 02-Aug-17 09:35:46

As Newcastle gets £500000 ot fight right wing extremism
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/right-wing-edl-newcastle-racism-13402419
there is also news that the cities 2 universities are still attracting EU students and there are increasing numbers of students from the Middle and Far East coming here. Will the money really help? And what can be done to mend a fractured society? When I see the EDL demonstrating and yelling in a city centre crowded with all nationalities I can only see more trouble ahead. Can you educate people to understand the benefits these students bring?

Chewbacca Sun 06-Aug-17 13:16:06

No trisher I don't. Nor do I think that legislation by enforcement is the answer.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 13:17:06

Some people do, trisher, even those who profess to be socialist.

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 13:33:45

But if those families are not paying for their B&B accommodation trisher as you imply, they are not in a position to buy a property. If you put them into a privately rented flat and paid the owner, you're still left with people profiting from their situation.
I can't think of any area in the UK where there has been no rental property available for years, so there must be other issues to consider in your example too.
A lot of the empty homes in London are very expensive. If you rent them out at below market rent, the owners are taxed as if they received market rent. There's no way a local authority could justify paying to house some families in luxury properties.

trisher Sun 06-Aug-17 13:39:41

Why not? Some of the families will be working some not. All probably receiving housing benefit which is currently going into the hands of B&B owners or private landlords. Compulsorily purchase empty properties, they belong to the council, are used to house families, housing benefit goes back to the council. Alternatively CP and sell on, use cash to adapt or build council housing and rest follows!

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 13:42:01

People who leave properties empty are not leaving people homeless.

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 13:45:00

All this - let's take properties off the wealthy sounds envious.

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 13:46:31

What are the sizes of these luxurious empty houses?

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 13:49:28

I think the royals have a few palaces, castles, apartments they don't use. Maybe we should start with them.

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 14:00:58

Gilly, did you have to bring up the properties of the Windsors?

Andrew has a thirty bedroomed house in the grounds of Windsor castle and with that house goes eight properties for staff .

Queenie spend less than three months a year in Sandringham, and about three months a year in Balmoral. This leaves her with .Buck house and
Windsor castle for six months of the year .

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 14:08:12

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/02/revelations-about-empty-homes-in-grenfell-area-simply-unacceptable

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 14:13:31

Well if we are taking about taking over unused properties it's only fair that they set a good example . After all they are the people us minions are supposed to respect and look up to.

Chewbacca Sun 06-Aug-17 14:16:18

Lead by example......smile

Jalima1108 Sun 06-Aug-17 14:19:27

All of this - buy-to-let, buy-for-not-let, empty homes is totally irrelevant. If houses are available to be bought as an investment then some people will buy them as an alternative to a pension fund, savings etc.

This is the private sector - what is needed is more social housing and talk of compulsory purchase of people's property is just hot air - it is like saying that someone has saved too much in investment funds, the bank, whatever, for their retirement - let's take it off them and give it to the poor.
What is needed is more decent social housing at affordable rents - if there was sufficient then people owning buy-to-let whether renting them out or not may perhaps then sell and first-time buyers would have more houses available to purchase at a reasonable price.

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 14:19:49

grin Perhaps all the Guardian staffers who have 2nd and 3rd homes could show us the way too. First dibs on the fabulous Tuscan villa owned by Polly Toynbee.

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 14:24:13

Jalima You are spoiling the whole conversation here by posting very sensible suggestions, that no one can disagree with, would probably work and solve the problem for most people.

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 14:25:06

Perhaps next on the list will be shoes , no one needs seven pairs of shoes, keep one pair give six to a shoe charity set up by the mighty Corby

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 14:29:41

Ha ha they virtually did just that in Cyprus Jalima.

( took money out of bank accounts that is)

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 14:31:01

People don't buy properties to rent out because they care about the lack of social housing and are desperate to help . They do it to make money for themselves.

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 14:32:06

Champage socialists make me sick . They talk the talk but never walk the walk !

trisher Sun 06-Aug-17 14:32:41

If I buy business premises and want to change their use I have to apply for planning permission and the whole thing is looked at very carefully regarding the area, what the effects would be etc. But I can buy housing and leave it empty without anything being said. IMO that constitutes a change of use, the planning laws should be amended to prevent this happening. It isn't just to do with homelessness but also with the proper use of an area and how a city functions.

gillybob Sun 06-Aug-17 14:38:40

Newcastle does not have a homeless problem .

trisher Sun 06-Aug-17 14:40:17

Isn't homelessness and the plight of the poor hilarious, Bet some of you went to church and /or prayed today. Such compassion!!!

trisher Sun 06-Aug-17 14:42:00

Tell that to the People's Kitchen volunteers who feed them at night. Come to the Monument one night and see them.

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 14:42:55

That's interesting gillybob

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 14:52:00

trisher no one is making fun of the homeless. I would imagine they have all experienced a unique journey and there are many contributing factors to their current situation. The only thing I'd bet is that an empty house in Kensington owned by a Russian oligarch is not one of them.