North Korea and US

Not if it is contained it isn't. That is the lesson some don't understand

Give up, * roses* in the nicest possible
Your arguing with people who obviously have never read any books written by people who have escaped NK.
And, believe that Kim Jung Un isn't a threat to world peace.

Of course NK is not a threat. Why all the posturing? Because that is how you ensure that other people know not to attack you. In what circumstances would it make sense for NK to use its nuclear missiles? None. Yes, they've got them - in their position, I'd want to have them too.

The USA used to understand it, China certainly does as does Russia and the EU. South Korea is crying out for it as is Japan.

Sabre rattling is the complete opposite tonwhat is needed.

Whatever we all think of Trump as POTUS, we also know that NK has been a real worry for decades, and now they have achieved nuclear status, who knows what could happen.
SK must be especially worried.
Sanity will prevail ( hopefully) by both leaders, but 'containing' Kim Jong and cohorts will prove impossible I should think, from now on.

petra I was not arguing about NK and the suffering that it's people are enduring. I am arguing about how to contain NK so that the row does not suffer the result of two silly egos.
If you think that sabre rattling us the way to go then good luck with that.

The rest of the world do not agree thank goodness except perhaps people with big egos like Trump who can't see any further than the end of his penis.

Petra ....I know!

Can the big ego that is Kim Jong Un see further than the end of his penis ww ?

SK should be most worried about action by Trump that precipitates a response from NK, which could be disastrous for both. There is no evidence for NK being a threat. Consider how many countries have been invaded by the USA? And how many countries have been invaded by North Korea?

If you want a discussion about NK politics then go ahead. I think you will understand very quickly that we can easily distinguish between NK as a existential threat to the row and the way they conduct their internal social policy and economy.

rose I doubt that he can see it. Of course, what made you think that I thought otherwise?

The US has to come out with a statement in regards to the threats issued by NK......a difficult balance.
If it is placatory then the US is perceived as weak ( all around the world) if it is equally strongly worded it could be regarded as immflamatory, but many countries, especially in the Far East respect that.

Blimey rose I am at the banging head against a brick wall stage. I give up.

Hopefully, at this time anyway, a 'show of words' will be enough to satisfy honour on all sides.

Perhaps that applies to us as well ww

Looking at things differently is alright you know, we can all have another perspective on a problem.

It's all this worrying about being perceived as weak that drags people into unnecessary wars. Why worry about it? It is perfectly adequate to say (as is obvious) that the USA is armed to the teeth and attacking it would be unwise. And it is pretty obvious that everybody already knows that. No need for Trump's posturing, nor for sailing nuclear capable warships up and down the Korean peninsular. Isn't that at least as aggressive as anything NK is doing?

The Child POTUS needs deflection from his Russia investigations. Mueller is making progress. The house of Monnafort has been raided. Money laundering.
I have been in the US..at better times. Now the US thanks to this charlatan is a kleptocracy and even more worrying a "family business" run by a Mafia family.
It is extremely worrying, even more though as our PM is his "best friend". I cn only hope that this nightmare ends sooner than later for All our sakes.

And they said that the Bushes were war mongerers! Mind you Trump not just a war mongerer! He is nuts with it

Counterpoint, roses has never been and would never be in thatposition. That's why she can't envisage it, and has no sympathy for those who are.

Rosarered....words have consensuses.

Sorry, moved on a bit since then.

Why does the UK want nuclear missiles? Same reason NK wants them.
Both silly in my opinion.

Keep your uninformed suppositions to yourself perhaps durham
Words are all part of the bluff and double bluff that goes on between countries and governments babette

At least the Americans have the chance to change their leader! pity the poor unfortunate citizens of NK who are stuck with this regime probably for donkeys years. Of course they all cheer and shout, and laugh hysterically, clap their hands till they fall off, prostrate themselves at every opportunity ; if they didn't they'd be dead along with their relations or at the very least in a labour camp for years on end! not sure that that any of that is very likely to happen to anyone in this country under the present government! As you said roses, people in the safety of the west haven't a clue what a true dictatorship is like and we can all consider ourselves extremely fortunate that we don't. A country that treat its own citizens in the way NK does, is capable of anything and we should be very vigilant.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/11/north-korea-us-south-korea-huge-military-exercise

Hope nothing goes wrong here.