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Interview with The Mogg

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Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 09:25:54

I thought some peeps might like to get their teeth into this article from today's Sunday Times.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, an English Trump but better at Latin

Chris Lange-KuettnerAugust 13 2017, 12:01am,
As Moggmentum surges, the historian Tim Newark grills his fogeyish back-bench Tory friend about his leadership plans over plum crumble

Jacob Rees-Mogg came round for lunch with us last week in Bath, a suitable location for this politician dubbed “MP for the 18th century”. As it was the summer recess I thought he might have loosened his top button a little but no: he arrived impeccably dressed in a double-breasted suit with a shirt and tie. Rees-Mogg says he has “never worn a pair of jeans”.

Charming and polite throughout lunch, he praised the plum crumble my wife made for him, knowing his delight in traditional British food.

Rees-Mogg is exactly as you would imagine him to be. And these days authenticity is the major currency of any politician with eyes on high office. Only recently taking to Twitter with a Latin maxim, he gets more “likes” and “shares” for his tweets than any cabinet member, including the prime minister.

Fiercely loyal to Theresa May so long as she remains Conservative Party leader, he strikes a growing number of Tory backbenchers as just too good to be left on the back benches. Here is a man with a sharp intellect who serves on the ­Treasury select committee and gave Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, a hard time about his anti-Brexit advice before the referendum.

To his fans Rees-Mogg is straight talking, has disarming humour, is good on television, unflinchingly patriotic and a successful businessman from a privileged background who nevertheless understands the concerns of ordinary men and women. Like an English version of Donald Trump but with a better grasp of Latin. Does he see any similarity?

Rees-Mogg answers carefully and says that he fully understands the message of the populist revolution in 2016 that rocked the ruling classes on both sides of the Atlantic. “The governing elite in both the US and the UK,” he said, “had come to the conclusion that the only reason that people wouldn’t do what they said is because they didn’t understand.

“You see this in the shockingly condescending views expressed by some Remoaners who think that the people that voted for Brexit were all stupid. It’s a very odd way of looking at things if you believe in democracy.”

Rees-Mogg said serving the grassroots lies at the heart of his political philosophy: “As a constituency MP I am always seeking to represent the people remote from the centres of power, rather than the interests of lobby groups.”

Asked why he cares so much about Brexit, he said it is “all about democracy. Can the British people have the government that they want?

“The problem with the European Union is we can be ­outvoted by a qualified majority vote and therefore laws can be passed that the ­British people have not only not consented to but have opposed.”

Was he upset that May laughed at the suggestion of him being in the cabinet? If he is he does not show it, rebuffing the question with good humour: “I’m a back-bench MP. I’m supporting Theresa May. My ambition is to be re-elected in North East Somerset. It would be unreal­is­tic of me to have further ambitions.”

His recent interventions suggest otherwise. Rees-Mogg put the chancellor in his place over collective cabinet responsi­bility and slapped down a proposal from James Chap­man, a former aide to David Davis and George Osborne, for a new “Democrats” anti-Brexit party.

With his experience in business and the City, is Rees-Mogg well placed to take on the role of chancellor in due course — like a Boris with financial brains? He sidestepped the question: “I don’t think it’s going to be offered.”

Certainly, some part of the Conservative grassroots is all agog with the thought of him standing as leader when the time is right. “Cometh the hour, cometh the Mogg” is a recurring line. But others — including the former Conservative MP Matthew Parris — are not so keen.

In his Times column yesterday Parris described Rees-Mogg’s views on moral, social, sexual and reproductive issues as “brute moral conservative” and warned that electing him as leader would kill off the “broad-church Conservative Party”.

Does Rees-Mogg even have the hunger for high political office? Recently celebra­ting the birth of his sixth child, naturally named Sixtus, he rejoices in his large ­family, lives in a mansion dating back to 1600 deep in the Somerset countryside and has amassed a fortune through his Somer­set Capital Management business.

Having entered the Commons only in 2010, Rees-Mogg claims repeatedly that he has already attained his highest ambition of being MP for North East Somerset.

“The local party is part of who I am and what I am,” he insists. But surely he wants to ride the Moggmentum into a cabinet post?

“I’m very interested in political ideas, developing Conservative thinking, and I’m very keen that we should have a positive message for Conservatism,” he said.

“Our last manifesto was much too defensive and much too managerial. That was why we went from having such a strong lead in the polls to having a very marginal election victory . . . The campaign did not succeed. You can have a role in that without holding great office.”

Will he never throw his hat into the ring of a future leadership election?

“I think if I threw my hat in the ring, my hat would be thrown back at me pretty quickly,” he said.

Nor will he be drawn on who should be the next party leader. “There are so many people that would be capable of doing it,” he said, “and who it ends up being, as with Mrs May getting it, is a matter of luck as anything.”

Surely he wants a Brexiteer? “By the time Mrs May finally decides to become a countess and go to the House of Lords,” he reassures me, “we’ll have long since left the European Union.”

Rees-Mogg, 48, was born in Hammersmith, west London. His father was The Times editor William Rees-Mogg. The family has long ties with Somerset thanks to owning local coalmines.

Educated at Eton, he read history at Trinity College, Oxford but regrets not studying classics: “All the really clever people do that and a 2:1 in classics is worth a first in PPE.”

He did not follow his father into journalism: “My father was much better at it than I was ever going to be so I thought I could only ever fail by comparison.”

Instead he chose a career in the City, working in emerging markets for Lloyd George Management, which included a stint in Hong Kong before setting up his own investment business in 2007.

His leisure time is dominated by his large family: “It’s the most important thing. I’ve got six lovely, delightful child­ren. I’m very lucky. I have a wonderful wife who looks after us all.”

They are working their way through the James Bond films: “We’re on ­Octopussy at the moment, had Live and Let Die a couple of nights ago.

“This might not be the most ­fashionable view — but then I’m not known for my fashion — but I think the late Sir Roger Moore is unquestion­ably the best James Bond.”

It seems an apt choice for Rees-Mogg. Not the action-packed aggression of ­Daniel Craig but the self-deprecating, humorous Bond — who ended up having the longest 007 career.

Tim Newark is a historian and the author of Protest Vote: How Mainstream Parties Lost the Plot (Gibson Square, £8.99)

Rees-Mogg is...

DOLGACHOV/GETTY
...AGAINST
● Gay marriage
● Raising welfare benefits
● Smoking ban in private vehicles where a child is present
● Euthanasia
● A 2016 investigation into the Iraq War

PA
...BUT FOR
● Trident, bedroom tax and academies
● Stricter asylum systems and a stronger enforcement of immigration rules
● Mass retention of data from communications and surveillance

Ana Sun 13-Aug-17 20:35:09

At least get his name right!

Ana Sun 13-Aug-17 20:33:46

And it's Rees-Mogg.

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 20:30:47

Can't see that he will make PM or the Cabinet, but none of us ever thought that 'The great lentil' ( Corybn) would either and he is now Leader of the Opposition, if not actually PM.

Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 20:30:41

I'm not sure it can be called praise. I think it's more an appreciation of someone for particular reasons, their politeness, their dry sense of humour, their old-fashionedness, etc, regardless of their politics.

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 20:27:41

Sorry...am still laughing over the 'closer to the white supremacists' post.?

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 20:26:10

That's a laughable comment GGM2 grin
JRM seems to be almost universally liked in Parliament by all sides, so he must be doing something right.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 20:19:53

"I am afraid, extremes to the right or left are fearful"

But you have been praising one of the most right-wing members of Parliament AB.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 20:16:56

When you look at what is happening in America and realise Reece Mog is closer to these bigots than he will ever be to any socialist that ever lived I do wonder at some of the comments we see.

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 20:14:47

I am afraid, extremes to the right or left are fearful

Baggs Sun 13-Aug-17 20:04:42

JRM running riot of any kind about anything is a very peculiar idea. I'm not sure I can imagine it!

Iam64 Sun 13-Aug-17 20:04:15

Yes Tegan - I fear people have lost touch with reality.
Reece Mog and Boris can be seen as entertaining in a Monty Python's Flying Circus kind of way but surely, not in Real Life.
We have Trump as Potus and politicians all over Europe who have views that are to one extreme or the other.
Be afraid!

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 19:35:43

What on earth has that got to do with the difference between alt-right and socialist politics Primrose?

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 19:17:14

We will have Corbyn as PM and Abbot as foreign secretary, so possibly people have lost touch with reality

Primrose65 Sun 13-Aug-17 19:02:02

I disagree gg - plenty of socialists at Oxford!

Tegan2 Sun 13-Aug-17 18:58:22

I can't believe that anyone can take him seriously as a potential leader of this country. Just when I felt that we were the laughing stock of the world having Boris as Foreign Secretary there's a chance that Rees Mogg may be PM. youcouldn'tmakeitup sad. Have people, actually lost touch with reality??

GracesGranMK2 Sun 13-Aug-17 18:39:38

Mogg has more in common with the white supremacists running riot in the US than with any one who avows socialist values.

MamaCaz Sun 13-Aug-17 17:58:36

In an ideal world, I would like to see us represented by people who have a fair idea of what life is like for the majority of the population in 21st century Britain. He comes across to me as someone who is about as far removed from that ideal as it is possible to be.

Jane10 Sun 13-Aug-17 17:51:52

Oh so you're not keen on him then dj? wink

durhamjen Sun 13-Aug-17 17:41:28

By the way, the rest of that article is here.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-moggmentum-run-for-tory-leader-leadership-election-contest-conservative-party-a7891196.html

durhamjen Sun 13-Aug-17 17:39:50

"Mr Rees-Mogg has also issued statements in support of Donald Trump, telling the BBC days after the election of the US President in November 2016 that the victory was “good for the US [because] he is looking to cut taxes and deregulate”.

Mr Rees-Mogg added: “I think for Britain, it [Trump’s election] is much better than a continuation of the Democrats. We have so many shared values and a commonality between Brexit and the election of Trump is that it is the triumph of optimism.

“This is a wonderfully optimistic, outward-looking approach and has great opportunities for both our nations to work together and collaborate to the good of the world.”

His fellow studio guest, the ex-Labour leader Ed Miliband, immediately responded by saying: “What we just heard was delusional fantasy. The idea that we have shared values with a racist, misogynistic, self-confessed groper beggars belief.”

At the time of writing, the Ready for Rees-Mogg petition has 22,324 signatories."

Can't believe anyone really wants Rees-Mogg, trump and Kim Yong-Un all at the same time.
Talk about Alice in Wonderland!

maryeliza54 Sun 13-Aug-17 17:36:57

Yes Baggs I agree with how you define the words. I don't know of any MP who is in favour of euthanasia per se but assisted dying is what the article actually means

LadyGracie Sun 13-Aug-17 17:34:44

I do like Rees-Mogg!

petra Sun 13-Aug-17 17:23:03

durhamjen
* like Corbyn, you mean*
As in: he criticised the eu the whole of his political career but maintains he voted to remain. Pull the other one.

Tegan2 Sun 13-Aug-17 16:59:13

Being loyal to your party when they do evil things against the poor, sick and disadvantaged is not, imo, a good attribute...

NanKate Sun 13-Aug-17 16:54:48

I don't agree with everything he stands for, but I think he would be good as our next Prime Minister, however I suspect because he has a cultured voice and comes from a privileged background he will be gunned down (metaphorically) by Corbynites and others who prefer someone with rougher edges.

I would vote for him.

He is great on 'Have I got news for you' grin