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Does anyone else think Trump has a point?

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GracesGranMK2 Wed 16-Aug-17 09:03:18

I am really worried about the idea of re-writing history to suit either left or right and am thinking Trump may have a point.

I would not want Nazis or the KKK marching in my town (I would want the organisations banned, if it were in my country) but surely we have to be even handed if people are breaking the law.

whitewave Sat 19-Aug-17 09:34:45

Bannon is threatening to tell all.

Pass the popcorn pleasegrin

whitewave Sat 19-Aug-17 09:33:16

ammaz I would have happily discussed your posts but they didn't make sense.

AmMaz Sat 19-Aug-17 09:20:32

illtellhim, see after our posts the subject got swiftly changed!!!
- so girly hmm

MawBroon Sat 19-Aug-17 08:13:13

When is somebody going to break it to Trump that being POTUS is not just another episode of The Apprentice?
(Honestly, I'd even rather see Alan Sugar in The White House)

absent Sat 19-Aug-17 07:52:05

Removing – not destroying – public statues is not rewriting history. I don't know how the rest of you approached the subject, but although I wandered around London and other cities in the UK looking at statues of kings, queens, generals, prime ministers, etc., most of my learning was done at school. The statues of Confederate heroes were mostly erected in the twentieth century, quite a while after the end of the Civil War, and have become rallying points for groups that belong to what is now called the Alt-Right (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean). Transferring these statues to museums and, therefore, putting them in their proper context, or to Confederate cemeteries seems wholly appropriate to me.

durhamjen Fri 18-Aug-17 23:03:23

Have you seen that trump is going to be impeached now?
Because of what he said about Charlotteville?

durhamjen Fri 18-Aug-17 21:58:04

Do you mean Pence?
Hope not.

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 20:59:20

Hmm does that mean Spence would take over?

durhamjen Fri 18-Aug-17 20:23:01

Not many left to sack.
I hope this man is right, and trump himself leaves soon - sacks himself.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/art-of-the-deal-donald-trump-resign-us-president-predict-tony-schwartz-a7898526.html

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 19:29:40

I suppose Miller could be the next to go?

On second thoughts he is a bit flavour of the month at the moment

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 19:25:17

Wonder if Bannon will be another Chapman and Osborne??

That will be fun.

Iam64 Fri 18-Aug-17 18:53:19

The White House needs its own Reality TV show. The rest of us could vote on a weekly basis, which person working there we want to evict.
Guess who'd go first?>

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 18:48:27

I would love Gorka to be next

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 18:40:43

Brietbart aren't happy.

They've tweeted "#WAR!!"!

whitewave Fri 18-Aug-17 18:24:14

Bum I wish I'd put a bet on Bannon!!!

The latest sacking.

Any bets on the next one?

I must give it some thought

illtellhim Fri 18-Aug-17 17:10:27

Well said AmMaz, I was in 2 minds about pointing out to people that it wasn't 'righteous violence' that won the west 2 wold wars it was us going over and kicking the sh*t out of them

lemongrove Fri 18-Aug-17 16:49:48

Leticia I have heard Theresa May roundly condemning all violent far right groups.

AmMaz Fri 18-Aug-17 16:42:54

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Leticia Fri 18-Aug-17 06:58:10

I don't think that he has a point and am disappointed that Theresa May hasn't come out to firmly condemn his views.

rosesarered Thu 17-Aug-17 23:05:47

'Divided by the same language' TriciaF ?

TriciaF Thu 17-Aug-17 20:12:48

ps - sorry!
I intended to go on strike and make no more posts. Because of the limited forum.
So disappointing.

TriciaF Thu 17-Aug-17 19:32:02

Roses wrote
"Oriel I think you are wrong in your assumption that the history of the US is widely known by most people whichever country they inhabit."
I agree. And their history helps to explain Trump's continuing support.
They're different from us, in spite of speaking the same language ( and even that's debatable.)

MaizieD Thu 17-Aug-17 18:46:01

A letter from Stonewall Jackson's great great grandsons, asking for the removal of his statue:

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/stonewall_jackson_s_grandsons_the_monuments_must_go.html

rosesarered Thu 17-Aug-17 17:12:23

Oriel I think you are wrong in your assumption that the history of the US is widely known by most people whichever country they inhabit.You will find quite a lot of people who don't know the history of this country, who have been born here and lived here all their lives, let alone the US.An American friend of ours ( our age) didn't even know which century the American Civil War was in and thought it may be the 18th Century.
You can't assume that everybody has the same knowledge as yourself ( am assuming you are an old alumni of Oriel College?)

GracesGranMK2 Thu 17-Aug-17 16:52:10

I think I am going to leave you all to blether on for a while on this one.

We all agree that Nazism and White Supremacy are bad things.
We all agree that bad things have been done in their name and because of their views.

I think many of you will enjoy this but do watch it to the end. The bit where he says that "this is us, it's a part of this country, we can't pretend it's not".

For all yours and my condemnation of what happened and horror about the beliefs of a section of America, it exists and in large numbers. So far I have seen nothing on this thread that tells me how this problem can be dealt with and if it is just dealt with by force I do not believe it will go away.

Trump was trying to be honest and say what he felt - he doesn't think what he says is unreasonable. He was voted President of the most powerful country in the world and by a lot of people who agree with him so all I can do is wonder where this very powerful country is going but also where all the other countries in the world who have a large tranche of their population who believe 'the other' has taken from them are going too.