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Sarah Champion

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kittylester Thu 17-Aug-17 06:50:57

Should she have resigned? Was she telling the truth? Did she jump or was she pushed? Is this an example of political correctness gone mad?

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 20:29:02

I do not read the Daily Mail but will never forget it was the mail who took in the murderers of Stephen Lawrence whilst the rest of the press were silent

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 20:41:06

I tried posting an article from a paper that wasn't the Grauniad once. Won't try that again. grin

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 21:10:37

annie
Well said. Many left leaning people can't bring themselves to admit, and thank the DM for getting the prosecutions that lead to that pond life ( because that's what they are) being locked up.
Where was the Guardian then?

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 21:26:41

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080159/Stephen-Lawrence-case-How-killers-finally-brought-justice.html

Petra I would never forget their front page naming the murderers , big risk

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 21:33:32

Can any Guardian reader give us an example that comes anywhere near as important as the DM campaign for Stephen Lawrence.

Chewbacca Sun 20-Aug-17 22:00:51

Not sure if this is comparable petra but that good old right wing newspaper, The Telegraph, was the only paper that was willing to expose the MPs expenses scandal in 2014. Other papers (including the Gruniard) picked up the story later, but it was the Telegraph who took the risk with breaking the news.

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 22:24:29

Chewbacca
Not in the same league, although some did go to prison for a few weeks, but it still counts, doesn't it.

Chewbacca Sun 20-Aug-17 22:30:34

Odd isn't it that the fiercely left wing Grundia is the jonny-come-lately to breaking news, whether it's political or social. Maybe that's why it's readership is steadily falling.

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 22:42:30

Chewbacca
How bad is it when we have pics of Worzel Gummage with The Sun and not the socialist bible grin

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 22:42:57

Stephen was murdered in 1993, the guilty got off three times, the mail run that front page and within months Straw ordered an enquiry. There was no political correctness in the nineties, in 1995 we had the Brixton riots where a white police officer was murdered, so I think the Mail showed courage and justice by running that page , I doubt there would have been a guilty verdict if the .mail hadn't spoken out and this should not be forgotten . And I am not and have never been a mail reader .

Primrose65 Sat 26-Aug-17 13:53:15

Amina Lone, the Muslim Labour councillor who defended Sarah Champion has been barred from re-standing "on the grounds that her local campaign and council attendance records were not up to scratch."
"Coun Lone, who stood for Labour in Morecambe at the 2015 general election, suggested her campaigning work on gender equality in the Muslim community - particularly since the Manchester Arena attack - may have had a part to play."

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tensions-within-manchester-labour-erupt-13525847

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 14:19:35

It doesn't actually say in there whether her attendance record was good or not.
If it was good compared to others, then it's wrong to stop her standing again, but there's no point in having a councillor who does not go to meetings.

dbDB77 Sat 26-Aug-17 14:45:30

This from Amina Lone on August 17th - now she's been deselected - coincidence? I think not.

Lone, whose was born to Pakistani parents, says she is “despairing” about Champion’s resignation because these “difficult conversations” need to be had. She says on Twitter:
“I grew up in a Muslim community where these attitudes were common. “White girls are easy” “Nobody cares about them” “They are just slags” “They parents don’t look after them properly” etc were/are still said today. I hear it regularly. Sarah Champion was talking about a particular type of grooming which is carried by men because of their cultural/religious practices. Obvs not all men. She is not a racist but a brave woman speaking out about a politically awkward issue. Labour, bury your heads as much as you like in the black & white purist world you push. The chickens will come home to roost.”

dbDB77 Sat 26-Aug-17 15:16:13

And Naz Shah, the Labour MP who had to apologise for making dreadful anti-Semitic posts & who criticised Sarah Champion, has liked & re-tweeted a message saying that the girls in Rotherham & elsewhere should "shut their mouths for the sake of diversity".
Yet Naz Shah hasn't been deselected.

illtellhim Sat 26-Aug-17 15:19:45

Can't understand that girl, like the turkey looking forward to christmas

Iam64 Sat 26-Aug-17 18:43:06

dbDB77 whilst I agree with your sentiments about deselection, the situation with Naz Shah is different in that she's an MP not a local councillor - I suspect there must be local council elections coming up, whereas we've just had a general election so Naz is secure. She's also a hard working constituency MP, whereas the criticism of Amina Lone is that she was not a hard working local councillor. Having said all of that, I have to acknowledge, I find it difficult to accept that her de-selection isn't at least in part down to her support for Sarah Champion and for not toeing the party line 100%

dbDB77 Sat 26-Aug-17 19:55:50

Thanks Iam64 - When I read that the local Labour Party had criticised Amina Lone's attendance, I thought I'd have a look at Manchester councillors' attendance record to get the facts - but I can't find it - some councils publish all the details - but most don't. So for interest I thought I'd try and find my own council's records of councillors' attendance - no way angry
I know this is a digression from main subject of thread but why can't we find out what our councillors are doing? Or do any Gransnetters know away of finding out?

Chewbacca Sat 26-Aug-17 20:36:43

I think you can request the information regarding councillors attendance via a Freedom of Information application to your local council. If they can't, or won't, release the information they have to tell you why.

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 20:47:32

Freedom of information request? The information should be easily available on spreadsheets, I would have thought.

dbDB77 Sat 26-Aug-17 21:36:10

Yes FOI request to a council is an option - and they can charge - but I hoped the information would be easily available for all to see - council accounts and lists of expenses are published & easily accessible online - so it's a pity attendance records are not - though as I said some councils do publish them.

Chewbacca Sat 26-Aug-17 21:53:57

I think dbDB77 that they only make a charge for FOI applications if it's for commercial purposes. I agree with you that the information should, ideally, be readily available anyway, but if it's not, that's an avenue worth exploring. I've just had a look to see if my local council have their meetings attendance online, but they don't. hmm

Primrose65 Sun 27-Aug-17 14:28:54

There's an article about her in the Sunday Times today.
"She said: “So many black and minority ethnic women in the Labour Party are terrified. The silencing is so acute, the fear is so acute. I’m the only one that’s speaking publicly and I’ve been warned a lot this year. I was told one of the reasons I was deselected was because I wouldn’t keep quiet.”
Her statement about being told to keep quiet is quite alarming yet believable in the light of Naz Shah MP sharing a tweet telling sex abuse victims to 'keep their mouths shut'.

durhamjen Sun 27-Aug-17 15:06:14

Amina Lone.

"However on Sunday Amina Lone tweeted “Just to clarify as some confusion, deselection happened in June not because of any recent interviews.” "

Primrose65 Sun 27-Aug-17 17:05:56

You usually post links dj
That comes from this article about a Labour MP making jokes about getting a 'hand job' in Barrow, then excused himself as having a lame sense of humour.
You really start to understand what Sarah Champion and Amina Lone have to deal with.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/labour-mp-john-woodcock-rapped-lewd-sex-joke/

Anniebach Sun 27-Aug-17 17:38:16

Labour List ran a survey, asked if Sarah Chapman shoucld have resigned, result NO, so not in tune with the leader