Sarah Champion

but I suppose that is a case of 'look but don't touch'

do they still have 'Page 3 girls?'

If so, rather strange that they are getting hot under the collar about sexual abuse.

Baggs interesting! perhaps Corbyn always reads The Sun ( somebody must do!)

I do think of Winston Churchill Jalima ! Oh so often!

Chewbacca how could you

Just because someone didn't do very well at school doesn't mean that they may not achieve greatness later in life

Think of Winston Churchill!

In fact the men concerned were brought to justice, tried and convicted,

eventually and after much suffering which could have been prevented.

but there's an awful lot of the red top newspaper snobbery and judgmentalism on Gransnet. Funny, that.

and quite strange that posters who condemn such as the Daily Mail etc are the people who seem to know exactly what is in it - online, of course, as they would never ever spend money on buying it.
So presumably miss all the campaigns for good that such newspapers do and only see the trash and comments from troll-like online readers.

I find it very odd.

How nasty, Chewbacca - but not unexpected.

I find it rather amusing that JC reads The Sun! His intellectual level, I suspect. when he can't get a copy of the Beano

Of course!

(actually got it from Twitter—montie's reel).

Did you cut the Montgomerie article out of your copy and scan it, Baggs?

dj, maybe baby.

trisher, I agree, but there's an awful lot of the red top newspaper snobbery and judgmentalism on Gransnet. Funny, that.

Couldn't he have done that rather more disceetly online?

I always thought 'know your enemy" was the first rule in any battle? So perhaps he was just checking them out?

Sorry, but maybe he's got a copy of the Sun because someone has told him about the Montgomerie article about him in it?

Baggs
The first article: I don't believe it's down to votes. I believe he just doesn't care!!! What these young girls suffered and are still suffering doesn't come into his world
The second photo: absolute proof of what Anniebach calls him: a hypocrite. But I'm sure if confronted with the pic he would claim that he was buying it for his old/ disabled neighbor, he has to get in his virtual signaling wherever possible.

What a strange comment.In fact the men concerned were brought to justice, tried and convicted, unlike the Islington enquiry where the reports of abuse have disappeared and no-one has been charged with anything. It seems that there is little justice for those abused by white men with much more influence and power. And yet it is the abuse perpetrated by some Asian men that is being focussed on. I don't think one is more or less important than the other. I do think this idea that abuse of children is limited to one particular group is wrong and that some abusers are much better at covering their tracks and choosing their victims than others.

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More Corb shit, if you'll excuse the espression (or, equally, if you won't):

The Tim Montgomerie article is in the Sun. Looking at second photo before commenting is advised.

How bad or how long would it have gone on ( not that it has, or will) if good people like:
Ann Cryer
Sara Rowbotham
Jayne Senior
Nazir Afzal
had gone down the Jeramy Corbyn route and " let the enquiry do its job" or words to that affect.

Good for Qari Asim and no doubt he will recieve hate mail for speaking the truth.Hope that won't deter him and like minded people from saying it and continuing to say it.

After the Keighley case when 12 Pakistani Muslim men were found guilty of raping a 13 year old girl, Councillor Zafar Ali made the notorious comment that some in his community thought that “It takes two to tango…” He was later allowed to clarify this by saying he had been foolish to say it and he did not believe that the victim was in any way responsible for the crimes committed against her.
He could clarify & carry on – but not Sarah Champion – the very person these young, exploited & abused girls need.
Qari Asim, a Leeds Imam has urged more people to start speaking out against the abusers. He said: “British Muslims of Asian heritage cannot avoid the question that men of their heritage are disproportionately involved in localised, street grooming of vulnerable girls. What these sexual offenders have done is bring a shame on their religion, their families, their culture, their country, or even the country of origin of their parents.
Sometimes elders in the Pakistani community prefer to blame young girls or even evil spirits rather than accept that these young men can be responsible for sexual exploitation."
Let's hope more Imams speak out and these dreadful crimes can be stopped.

Hoping that the era of cover ups of child abuse by important people within society has come to an end, but in it's place we have the fear of offending ethnic minorities and cultures.Although hats off to the hard and diligent work by police officers in bringing to court and justice, these awful gangs.

Sadly trisher that quote goes to show exactly what happens when children reveal they have been sexually abused.
The "unfounded allegations" were true and the "irresponsible" actions initiate a belated action by the council. Hodge and Corbyn were both on the 'wrong side of history'. The newspaper investigation uncovered more evidence of abuse (which was sent to Hodge) and forced them into taking action. I'm pleased, to be frank, that if an MP thinks the only opinion now available to them is to go to press to expose abuse, they go.
To me, this is the root cause of the problem. Very few care enough to act.

I doubt it was to cover up Cyril Smiths involvement but names who are still alive

There is a grand tradition of avoidance and cover up or minimisation and victim blaming where child sexual abuse and exploitation is concerned.
A fairly recent example would be the investigation into Cyril Smith's abuse of boys in children's homes in Rochdale, which we now know was shut down on a number of occasions during the 1970's and 80's. Police Officers who were involved at the time and are still alive have been clear that 'men in suits from London' came and took all their investigative paper work away. The officers were told that they had signed the official secrets act so if they ever talked about the investigation they'd lose their jobs and go to prison. These officers are also clear that they believed the accounts given by the boys. The conclusion by the men in suits, seems to have been it wan't 'in the public interest' to prosecute CS.

Any investigation into even a single allegation against one perpetrator is complex, time consuming and expensive. At this time of shrinking resources and increased demands, I don't hold out much hope of improvements.

So children in the care of local authorities abused by men who may be prominent in the community and the disappearance of the reports into these things doesn't worry you at all
lemongrove
It wasn't the investigation of the abuse the tenants objected to it was the media laying siege to the estate. Isn't it amazing that people really can't read and understand things.