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Sarah Champion

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kittylester Thu 17-Aug-17 06:50:57

Should she have resigned? Was she telling the truth? Did she jump or was she pushed? Is this an example of political correctness gone mad?

lemongrove Sun 20-Aug-17 13:27:40

The question presents itself, who were these tenants of an estate and people in that area that objected so strenuously to inquiries into child sex abuse, because we would expect all citizens with nothing to hide to help, not hinder, inquiries.

lemongrove Sun 20-Aug-17 13:24:13

I would say that nothing could be worse than the actions of some Pakistani heritage men grooming, and raping young girls in our society, but cover ups/ innefficiency etc comes second certainly.

trisher Sun 20-Aug-17 13:14:56

What Corbyn actually said at the time Annie
I wholly deplore child pornography or abuse, and I think that the best way to deal with these matters is through proper and sensitive investigation, which was going on at the time. The hon. Member for Littleborough and Saddleworth chose, last Thursday, to make a statement to the Press Association, which appeared later in The London Standard. The effect was to make any inquiries difficult to follow, and the estate was besieged by the media, seeking salacious gossip and stories.

Through you, Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask whether the hon. Member for Littleborough and Saddleworth will, in the light of the investigations that have taken place, withdraw the statement that he made, visit that estate and apologise in person to the tenants, to whom he has caused a great deal of personal insult and hurt in the past few days.

and:

I criticised him, not for not informing me of what he was doing in my constituency, although that would have been the decent thing to do, but for irresponsibly passing unfounded allegations to the media, who then crawled all over an estate and caused a great deal of hardship and hurt to the people of the area.

We can of course wonder about the reports which were lost at some point. Much more worrying than the criminal actions of some Pakistani men in my opinion but both are indications of a darker side of our society which has noting to do with race
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

lemongrove Sun 20-Aug-17 13:14:04

Exactly so Primrose, it's a worrying sign of the times.

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 13:10:09

Why not the views of all population of Rotherham .

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 13:02:48

It's sad that the media give more attention to people who are unhappy about the omission of a word rather than sad about the sexual abuse of vulnerable children.
I didn't think the article was great, but I'm fed up listening to people moan about words.

whitewave Sun 20-Aug-17 12:33:55

Report in the Observer today indicated that the Muslim population of Rotherham are very unhappy at her Sun article.

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 12:30:19

Another MP who isn't destined to make high office.
John Mann has written that Sarah Champion should have used the word Muslim as in the Bristol child abuse case most of the men were Somali and in another case they were mostly from Afghanistan.
This is the MP who wrote an open letter to Corbyn when he was running for leader.
He said it was inappropriate for him to be leader as he had failed to act on child abuse allegations.
He said Corbyn should be begging Sarah Champion to come back.

petra Sun 20-Aug-17 12:03:42

durhamjen
possibly thousands of them
The jay report gave a conservative estimate of 1400 in Rotherham alone.

Eloethan Sun 20-Aug-17 11:49:32

I don't agree it was petty either - it was a very important word.

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 11:44:01

Trisher it was this year he said all abuse is wrong , just avoidance again as he did with the IRA questions

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 11:41:27

I don't agree that discussing Sarah Champion forgot one word is petty,

Chewbacca Sun 20-Aug-17 11:36:37

And?

durhamjen Sun 20-Aug-17 11:31:12

"Petra mentioned Islington - and it made me wonder whether if all this abuse had happened in London there would have been more coverage and more empathy for the victims and their community. The plight of these children - hundreds, possibly thousands of them - has been forgotten in a petty little discussion about whether Sarah Champion forgot one word."

Just to remind you why Islington was mentioned.

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 11:21:57

I agree Chewbacca. It was and still is a disgrace. On the news reports, the Director of National Childrens Homes says that they've had so many inquiries and reports but no one takes it seriously enough. That was over 20 years ago.

Chewbacca Sun 20-Aug-17 11:09:17

Investigation possibly. But very little actual, practical action by any one who was in a position to do so. Why? What was it that lead all those MPs, newspapers, police and social workers to do nothing with the information they had, to turn a blind eye to the wall of information that was building up. What did they do with the "lot of investigation" information they had?

durhamjen Sun 20-Aug-17 10:57:50

Anyway, what all this proves is that there was a lot of investigation into child abuse in Islington, so it's not just in the north.

durhamjen Sun 20-Aug-17 10:56:26

From what I've read Margaret Hodge did do something. She passed all the complaints onto the police - who did nothing.

trisher Sun 20-Aug-17 10:45:19

Annie * He was asking at the time for a proper enquiry into all child sexual abuse with wide ranging powers.*
Some of the abused of course would no longer be his constituents because they had moved on from the children's homes involved. So he wanted ALL ABUSE to be investigated not just those in his constituency.

durhamjen Sun 20-Aug-17 10:44:11

“Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls,” said the story’s introduction.

Chewbacca, definitely Pakistani men, not Asian men.
Just me again, is it? Perhaps you ought to go back to the beginning and reacquaint yourself with what she said and why she resigned.

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 10:44:05

Well, described by 'a representative of Corbyn' as an all time low!
He met with Liz Davies and others, didn't follow up with Virginia Bottomley as he promised and didn't acknowledge the meeting or actions in writing. He may have been standing up for the constituents who complained about Dickens, he certainly did not stand up the constituents who were being sexually abused or help constituents who were trying to stop the abuse.

Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 10:34:05

Were the abused in Islington not also his constituents , but too young to vote so of no interest to their MP

He hasn't spoken out in 2017 except to say - all sexual abuse is wrong

Rather like all killing is wrong but supporting the IRA

trisher Sun 20-Aug-17 10:20:34

Corbyn complained that Dickens was upsetting some of his constituents and he had received complaints from them about this - so in raising the visits Dickens had made he was standing up for his constituents-an MPs job. He was asking at the time for a proper enquiry into all child sexual abuse with wide ranging powers.
John Mann's letter has been described as an all time low in the Labour leadership contest when Mann was campaigning for Yvette Cooper.

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 10:06:48

Sorry trisher x posting! That'll teach me to get distracted mid-post

Primrose65 Sun 20-Aug-17 10:04:37

Dr Liz Davies was the whistleblower in Islington.
Margaret Hodge was the leader of Islington Council, who did nothing. Corbyn did nothing too, in fact, Dr Davies got another MP, Geoffrey Dickens, to raise concerns. JC complained about him in parliament. He said that Geoffrey Dickens should not have visited his constituency and should “unreservedly withdraw his allegations of the existence of child brothels in the area (in Islington) and make a public apology.”
Here are the links for those interested in sources.
www.mann4bassetlaw.com/an_open_letter_to_jeremy_corbyn_on_child_abuse
Here's links to the whistleblower including some videos of the news coverage at the time lizdavies.net/campaigns-and-topics/islington-child-abuse-scandal/