Sarah Champion

I don't agree it was petty either - it was a very important word.

durhamjen
possibly thousands of them
The jay report gave a conservative estimate of 1400 in Rotherham alone.

Another MP who isn't destined to make high office.
John Mann has written that Sarah Champion should have used the word Muslim as in the Bristol child abuse case most of the men were Somali and in another case they were mostly from Afghanistan.
This is the MP who wrote an open letter to Corbyn when he was running for leader.
He said it was inappropriate for him to be leader as he had failed to act on child abuse allegations.
He said Corbyn should be begging Sarah Champion to come back.

Report in the Observer today indicated that the Muslim population of Rotherham are very unhappy at her Sun article.

It's sad that the media give more attention to people who are unhappy about the omission of a word rather than sad about the sexual abuse of vulnerable children.
I didn't think the article was great, but I'm fed up listening to people moan about words.

Why not the views of all population of Rotherham .

Exactly so Primrose, it's a worrying sign of the times.

What Corbyn actually said at the time Annie
I wholly deplore child pornography or abuse, and I think that the best way to deal with these matters is through proper and sensitive investigation, which was going on at the time. The hon. Member for Littleborough and Saddleworth chose, last Thursday, to make a statement to the Press Association, which appeared later in The London Standard. The effect was to make any inquiries difficult to follow, and the estate was besieged by the media, seeking salacious gossip and stories.

Through you, Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask whether the hon. Member for Littleborough and Saddleworth will, in the light of the investigations that have taken place, withdraw the statement that he made, visit that estate and apologise in person to the tenants, to whom he has caused a great deal of personal insult and hurt in the past few days.

and:

I criticised him, not for not informing me of what he was doing in my constituency, although that would have been the decent thing to do, but for irresponsibly passing unfounded allegations to the media, who then crawled all over an estate and caused a great deal of hardship and hurt to the people of the area.

We can of course wonder about the reports which were lost at some point. Much more worrying than the criminal actions of some Pakistani men in my opinion but both are indications of a darker side of our society which has noting to do with race
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

I would say that nothing could be worse than the actions of some Pakistani heritage men grooming, and raping young girls in our society, but cover ups/ innefficiency etc comes second certainly.

The question presents itself, who were these tenants of an estate and people in that area that objected so strenuously to inquiries into child sex abuse, because we would expect all citizens with nothing to hide to help, not hinder, inquiries.

So children in the care of local authorities abused by men who may be prominent in the community and the disappearance of the reports into these things doesn't worry you at all
lemongrove
It wasn't the investigation of the abuse the tenants objected to it was the media laying siege to the estate. Isn't it amazing that people really can't read and understand things.

There is a grand tradition of avoidance and cover up or minimisation and victim blaming where child sexual abuse and exploitation is concerned.
A fairly recent example would be the investigation into Cyril Smith's abuse of boys in children's homes in Rochdale, which we now know was shut down on a number of occasions during the 1970's and 80's. Police Officers who were involved at the time and are still alive have been clear that 'men in suits from London' came and took all their investigative paper work away. The officers were told that they had signed the official secrets act so if they ever talked about the investigation they'd lose their jobs and go to prison. These officers are also clear that they believed the accounts given by the boys. The conclusion by the men in suits, seems to have been it wan't 'in the public interest' to prosecute CS.

Any investigation into even a single allegation against one perpetrator is complex, time consuming and expensive. At this time of shrinking resources and increased demands, I don't hold out much hope of improvements.

I doubt it was to cover up Cyril Smiths involvement but names who are still alive

Sadly trisher that quote goes to show exactly what happens when children reveal they have been sexually abused.
The "unfounded allegations" were true and the "irresponsible" actions initiate a belated action by the council. Hodge and Corbyn were both on the 'wrong side of history'. The newspaper investigation uncovered more evidence of abuse (which was sent to Hodge) and forced them into taking action. I'm pleased, to be frank, that if an MP thinks the only opinion now available to them is to go to press to expose abuse, they go.
To me, this is the root cause of the problem. Very few care enough to act.

Hoping that the era of cover ups of child abuse by important people within society has come to an end, but in it's place we have the fear of offending ethnic minorities and cultures.Although hats off to the hard and diligent work by police officers in bringing to court and justice, these awful gangs.

After the Keighley case when 12 Pakistani Muslim men were found guilty of raping a 13 year old girl, Councillor Zafar Ali made the notorious comment that some in his community thought that “It takes two to tango…” He was later allowed to clarify this by saying he had been foolish to say it and he did not believe that the victim was in any way responsible for the crimes committed against her.
He could clarify & carry on – but not Sarah Champion – the very person these young, exploited & abused girls need.
Qari Asim, a Leeds Imam has urged more people to start speaking out against the abusers. He said: “British Muslims of Asian heritage cannot avoid the question that men of their heritage are disproportionately involved in localised, street grooming of vulnerable girls. What these sexual offenders have done is bring a shame on their religion, their families, their culture, their country, or even the country of origin of their parents.
Sometimes elders in the Pakistani community prefer to blame young girls or even evil spirits rather than accept that these young men can be responsible for sexual exploitation."
Let's hope more Imams speak out and these dreadful crimes can be stopped.

Good for Qari Asim and no doubt he will recieve hate mail for speaking the truth.Hope that won't deter him and like minded people from saying it and continuing to say it.

How bad or how long would it have gone on ( not that it has, or will) if good people like:
Ann Cryer
Sara Rowbotham
Jayne Senior
Nazir Afzal
had gone down the Jeramy Corbyn route and " let the enquiry do its job" or words to that affect.

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More Corb shit, if you'll excuse the espression (or, equally, if you won't):

The Tim Montgomerie article is in the Sun. Looking at second photo before commenting is advised.

What a strange comment.In fact the men concerned were brought to justice, tried and convicted, unlike the Islington enquiry where the reports of abuse have disappeared and no-one has been charged with anything. It seems that there is little justice for those abused by white men with much more influence and power. And yet it is the abuse perpetrated by some Asian men that is being focussed on. I don't think one is more or less important than the other. I do think this idea that abuse of children is limited to one particular group is wrong and that some abusers are much better at covering their tracks and choosing their victims than others.

Baggs
The first article: I don't believe it's down to votes. I believe he just doesn't care!!! What these young girls suffered and are still suffering doesn't come into his world
The second photo: absolute proof of what Anniebach calls him: a hypocrite. But I'm sure if confronted with the pic he would claim that he was buying it for his old/ disabled neighbor, he has to get in his virtual signaling wherever possible.

Sorry, but maybe he's got a copy of the Sun because someone has told him about the Montgomerie article about him in it?

I always thought 'know your enemy" was the first rule in any battle? So perhaps he was just checking them out?

Couldn't he have done that rather more disceetly online?

dj, maybe baby.

trisher, I agree, but there's an awful lot of the red top newspaper snobbery and judgmentalism on Gransnet. Funny, that.