Sarah Champion

Don't believe a word Corbyn says. He's spinning and tippy toeing around for fear of losing his potential votes. Or rather the boys in The Momentum back room are.
She may not have been pushed but she was definitely given a great big prod. It amounts to a sacking and not a resignation.
She has nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to apologise about.

trisher, the point I'm labouring and clearly failing to make, is that many women have been scapegoated when they have persistently worked to support child victims and to ensure that their holistic needs are met. I've acknowledged the use of language was unfortunate but I remain disappointed that yet another woman is sidelined when her work in this area has been excellent.

Sorry but she was sacked, or if you prefer asked/told to resign .

She was sacked!! Of course she was!!

She wasn't, Annie. She resigned because she realised that she had said something wrong.
It's called showing integrity.
I admire her for it. It doesn't mean she can't carry on doing what she was doing, just that she cannot be frontbench spokesperson for equalities.

He would say that wouldn't he. She was sacked

I am not emphasising I am missing the ^ ^

And that someone, whoever it is, could have shot themselves in the foot.

but if she was not asked to resigned then why did she even think of going and tender her resignation?

Someone must have suggested that she should.

"Last night Corbyn thanked Champion for her work and pledged to continue to work with her.

“She has tendered her resignation and I’ve accepted that resignation. I thanked her for her work and I’m working with her in the future because she is totally committed to protecting vulnerable women and girls within our society… It was her choice [to go].” he told the BBC."

Doesn't sound like she was sacked.

She wasn't sacked; she resigned.
Quite sensibly as the story was not about her.

If you are a minister (even a shadow) and responsible for something you take the flack when something goes wrong- it's called responsibility. I know that successive Tory governments have failed to do this, but perhaps we should be pleased that the Labour party takes things more seriously.
Iam64 I think bringing in the past and the appalling record of the authorities to deal with the abuse of young girls is a separate issue. This wasn't raising awareness of exploitation, it was setting one group of the population against others, which arguably could lead to further hidden problems by alienating people so discouraging them from reporting incidents.

There was no need to sack her, just a few words from Corbyn and silence from his puppets and she could have worked through it.

Many of those of us who are sorry to see Sarah C go have immediately acknowledged it was unfortunate her words weren't more carefully chosen, or edited by her/her staff. I remain disappointed that she joins a line of women who have been demoted, dismissed, made redundant, resigned due to ill health etc - all of those women having spent years championing the rights of vulnerable girls and women to live their lives without being sexually exploited, raped, beaten and so on.
The sex worker and police officer in the Rochdale case were both accused of being over emotional/over involved in their work. Raising awareness of child sexual exploitation is a risky business for the women who do their best to do this, it seems.

Sarah Champion was shadow women and equalities minister, but she patently failed to carefully monitor and oversee the information that was printed in her name. So effectively she failed to do her job properly. Who or what was involved in the statement is irrelevant really. Releasing anything to the press which labels one section of society as being anything is patently wrong and she should know this. Yes some Pakistani men have abused and raped white girls, the same men probably raped and abused their Pakistani wives.
Some celebrities in the 60's and 70s abused girls, but not all did and if I printed an article saying "Celebrities abused girls" it would be wrong.
Some Australian and British men go to Thailand to pursue their sexual interest in young girls, but if I missed out the "some" I would absolutely be misrepresenting the situation.

The young Britons analogy put forward by me is competely off subject, but I suppose I was also trying to say that, would we, as British, be angered on behalf of fellow citizens, if they behave badly and are then pilloried by another nation as a consequence. I think not! I believe this so called "cultural sensitivity" is something we are expected to show to certain ethnicities but it isn't always reciprocated.

kittylester - I was trying to make an analogy about cultural sensitivity and facing up to facts. I believe some resorts in southern Europe no longer want marauding young Britons there because of their behaviour. They are entitled to that opinion, it is justified, because it is young people from this country, fuelled by drink who show a disrespect to the host country. Similarly "the grooming" scandal relates to one ethnicity my point was that sometimes all cultures must face up to the fact that there are those within it who drag the rest of us down with them, particularly when they show a flagrent disrespect for their host country/ies, albeit as a visitor or as a citizen. Not all young British are drunkenly louche anymore that all Pakistani men are abusers of young girls.

Terribull, that is appalling behaviour but nothing like as bad as grooming young, often underage, girls and then using and abusing them and I am shocked that you would compare them!!

No-one I heard on Jeremy Vine had an issue with the statement - most of them thought it didn't go far enough.

Their behaviour is appalling no two ways about it, but at least we can say so without being accused of being racist, sexist and anything else you can think of! They are not above criticism, some muslim men, it would appear, are.

I said before I think Sarah Champion's error was to not make it clear she was referring to "some" or "a "small minority". Nevertheless these cases are hitting the headlines with increasing regularity so lets not pretend that there isn't a misogyny issue that pertains to a percentage of males within the Muslim/Arab community. The sort of shilly shallying and evasiveness in not defining the reality of certain situations from some libertarians in the name of cultural sensitivity doesn't fool anybody. Two examples, one previously mentioned, a white caucasian girl child used on a Barnardo's poster to highten awareness of children being removed during holidays for fgm. Even more incongruous, a white, blonde haired woman with tape across her mouth, this time a poster for "forced marriage". Who are they kidding, tell it like it is, these issues do not apply to white European women and children and although I'm veering slightly off subject I do feel there is a deliberate campaign to mislead when tackling some unacceptable cultural truths. Not facing these issues head on are seriously going to undermine social cohesion, particularly if they aren't dealt with in an honest and effective way.

Here's something I find distatseful, some British young people go to foreign countries, have sex in public, get drunk and generally behave badly. Do any of you think that statement shows cultural insensitivity ? I don't, young Brits behave like this in large swathes of southern Europe I think their behaviour is appalling !

My DD made an interesting point last night: maybe it's time (as per Greek Orthodox/Roman Catholics)for a schism in Islam, with the vast majority of muslims in one part and hard woman/hating terrorist Islamists in the other.

Isn't saying all sexual abuse is wrong - stating the bloody obvious

The labour leadership is getting very politically correct !

I wouldn't be surprised if the Sun had sub-edited out a qualifier like 'some'. To try and get a foothold in a readership who has infamously always viewed women as meat is pushing hope too high. They have won again. They have got their narrative. Uppity women - out. And Jeremy doesn't come out well in this. He should stand by her judgement. She is an MP in a constituency where 1000 girls were abused by predominately Pakistani men. And yet she is silenced and accused of racial prejudice. Of course not all Pakistani men abuse but the fact that Pakistani women are so controlled, frequently covered and forbidden freedoms we have fought hard for, says a lot about their cultural attitude to women. It is something we need to expose and discuss not sweep under the carpet in fear of offending Islam. When Christian Catholic men and women in charge of children were found to be guilty of abuse, their religion was not hidden. There was an apology from the Pope for example. For some reason Corbyn is quick to attack the other Abrahamic faiths, Christians and Jews but not Muslims. Which all seems to hark back to his staunch loyalty to Palestine, the same as his unclear Euroscepticism which cost Remainers dearly, as that harked back to the Bennite eurosceprticism. We are all shaped by our early experiences but I wish he was more flexible and listened and thought more. The only thing we can depend on him to do is defend Muslims and old Lefties (eg Venezuela) whatever they do and repeatedly say - all violence is wrong, all sexual predation is wrong. It is embarrassing. I'm afraid it will just make people more angry if he can't face facts that he doesn't like. And might I add that there are many Muslims that would welcome an open debate on this - of course there are. Both men and women. *k the Sun they will never be in the forefront of progression and liberal attitudes. Sarah C has been sacrificed. And I for one might forgive but won't forget.

nell I can understand your annoyance. But I think the difference is that the unpleasant man on the train represents no one but himself.