Sarah Champion

Of course she should have used the word 'some' that is true, but surely a quiet reprimand would have been sufficient, first offense and all that?!! What happened to the man who racially, sexually and verbally attacked the ticket inspector? was it reported, was action taken?! I guess not! It would seem that some can do and say as they please, but the other way round, all hell is disproportionately let loose.

Anyone who has any association with this vile rag-the sun-should know how dirty they play and it was beyond naive of her to use it as a platform for very serious views which require the utmost clarity and honesty not scumbag twisted editing. Why would she not remember the Hillsborough reportage? A very poor error of judgment on her part

I agree with you about the use of language Eloethan and of course, I am well aware that child sexual abuse crosses all classes, races, faith, employment fields etc. I hope that Sarah C decided to resign to avoid being the story, rather than being pushed. I still feel it's very sad that yet another excellent female, in this case a politician, has been sidelined and her excellent work in this area undermined.
It's also a truism that most sexual abuse is committed by men. That doesn't mean women aren't involved but its to a lesser extent. That fact has been the subject of research over many years and the extent of involvement of men from the backgrounds of those convicted in the recent child sexual exploitation cases also needs to be fully researched. If we don't understand why it happens, how can we work to prevent it? How can we ensure all communities work more effectively to keep our children safe?
One of the British Pakistani men who phoned the JVine show yesterday spoke out strongly against the men convicted and the importance of looking at their heritage. He added that 'white girls are allowed out too much on their own, too late at night, their parents should be more protective'. His response to the question, should girls be safe out at any time was yes, of course they should but the reality is, they aren't. I didn't find his comments offensive. It reflects the real dilemma we face as a society.

Yes I agree eloe

In such a sensitive and potentially inflammatory case politicians have to be extremely careful in the language that is used and the media chosen.

It has nothing to do with being politically correct but everything to do with recognising the damage that is done by being careless in your use of blame.

I think that people of the Islamic faith recognise that there is a huge cultural divide in attitudes to female behaviour, and this may encourage the type of dreadful crimes under discussion. This is what imo needs addressing.

Not helpful for Corbyn to gain British Asian votes ? Wonder if he would be so eager to support the IRA now if they were as active as in the seventies and eighties or would he say as he did about addressing Hamas as friends - with hindsight I was wrong

Yes, she should have resigned. As has been said many times before, there are predatory men in all areas of society - some in very powerful and respected positions - preying on vulnerable children and committing all sorts of vile crimes in the UK and in other parts of the world. To target one group and to use such inflammatory language is, I think, totally unacceptable and not at all helpful.

I read that Jeramy corbyns popularity rating had dropped because of his refusal to attend Passchendaele.
Let's hope that his refusal to acknowledge this abuse by 'some' Asian men does more damage to his sainted image.
Very good point Iam64 Re getting to a different audience.

I just said that Hannahloisluke!

I appreciate that some GN members don't believe anything from tabloid newspapers such as the DM or Telegraph but this was from The Guardian, 6 days ago. Whilst no one is claiming that ALL Asian men, or ALL muslim men look on women with disdain, the following extract certainly gives the impression that white women are not exactly respected:

^ "One member, Badrul Hussain, had claimed “white women are only good for one thing” during a rant at a female ticket inspector who found him travelling on public transport without a ticket in 2014. “All white women are only good for one thing,” he shouted. “For men like me to f* and use like trash. That’s all women like you are worth.” ^

Sarah Champion is the latest in a growing line of hard working women who have lost their jobs, been squeezed out, made redundant after putting huge efforts into exposing the sexual exploitation of vulnerable children and young people. Sarah Champion, Ann Cryer (politicians) Sarah Rowbotham (sexual health worker), Maggie (the policewoman in Rochdale/Manchester, these are the well known names but there are many police officers, social workers, teachers, midwives, health visitors/ health/drug/alcohol workers who have found themselves on the front line of working with children who are being exploited, debased and psychologically damaged by men who give them drugs, alcohol and pass them around for sex.
Yes, it happens in all communities. My main worry is the ease with which so many men appear to find themselves capable of this kind of debase behaviour. Sarah Champion probably should have kept a million miles away from the Sun, which is no friend of Labour, or indeed of women.
I suspect she'd hoped that by writing in the Sun, she might reach an audience that don't listen to radio 4 news or read a more well informed news paper.
I wish she hadn't resigned. I listened to the Jeremy Vine show, the male Muslim speaker was powerful in his condemnation of the criticisms of Sarah C. He and Yasmin both talked at length about the distorted view of Islam that allows groups of men to see women as nothing. Yasmin talked about her interviews with 3 of the wives of the Rochdale abusers. All 3 talked of marital rape. Men who can behave so violently, abusively and without concern for the girls they are raping and debasing aren't likely to go home and behave like ideal husbands and fathers are they.

This subject was discussed on the Jeremy Vine Show today. One if the guests was an iman who said it is a problem with some Asian, Muslim men. He explained that there are certain Muslims who believe that as theirs is the only true religion and the rest of us are destined for hell they can do whatever they like. White girls are seen as trash, chewing gum to be used and spat out. His words and the first time I've heard it put in such strong terms.
Sarah C was pushed for telling the truth.

Were all the men Muslim ?

Did anyone else hear Yasman Alibhia Brown and an Imam from Oxford on Jersey Vine today? They were not offended and said Sarah Champion should have gone further and said that the perpetrators were Muslim not just that they were Parkistani.

Thank you Morgana I was beginning to doubt my ability to express myself and make any sense

So is this report from 2010 by the BBC wrong then and were the staff at the BBC forced to resign?

The Catholic Church has faced a raft of allegations of child sex abuse by priests and an inadequate response by bishops. Here is a round-up of some of those events:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10407559

Surely it should have read some priests and some bishops?

Of course she was pushed. She should have been given the opportunity to speak publicly and clear up this implication that she meant ALL Pakistani men(duh!) but that there obviously is a connection , given the high incidence involving that culture.That needs serious scrutiny. If nothing is said or done to stop these men who openly said , in court ,words to the effect that all white girls were trash and fair game. Heavens- many of the latest batch of Pakistani criminals were family men with children!
His mate Dianne Abbott has made some awful anti-white remarks over the years but Corbyn has chosen to protect her! Of course he has his North London seat to think about and all those Pakistani and other Muslim votes to hold onto.

We certainly have predatory males abusing young people and it has always been so. This is almost certainly affected by cultural backgrounds but that would be true of high powered white guys, catholic priests, etc., etc., so certain our culture, which ever bit we come from needs to change.

I think she decided to go and, by the sound of things will still be working with the LP in this area - which is good.

Totally agree night owl.

I do understand what you mean nightowl but you when you say
How can saying "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls" be acceptable? I'm at a loss.

It is true - but of course it doesn't mean all British Pakistani men and everyone knows that surely - even those who say Sarah Champion should have inserted the word some.

Sarah Champion will have spoken to the victims, families , police and social workers in Rotherham,

Corbyn should hang his head in shame for booting her out, he could have said the wording wasn't satisfactory but why not his usual line - I have every faith in x x .

Trevor Phillips has spoken up for her.

I've explained where I stand on this Jalima but I don't think you understand my point. Nor do many others it seems. It appears to be a simple equation for many posters - criticising Sarah Champion's choice of words must mean you are an apologist for CSE and grooming by gangs (if those gangs happen to be of Pakistani origin - never mind that the gangs in all these places were of many different ethnicities)

I can't even be bothered to try to explain myself any further. I think Sarah Champion has done excellent work for women's rights which is why I am sorry she has let herself, and her constituents down by a very unwise choice of words and by writing for the Sun which is a despicable paper. She has hindered the cause she was trying to help, which is why she has had to resign.

The targeting of vulnerable white underage girls by Asian gangs has been going on for far too long whilst the powers that be either look the other way or stand by wringing their hands.Sarah Champion was right to speak out, it seems to be a taboo subject and it must not be.
Of course she was pushed out of her job.

nightowl It is/has been widespread across the country so I didn't mean Rotherham specifically when I asked if you had met anyone involved.

Yes, frightened of loosing votes.

Why do we pussyfoot around the problem ?? Jack Straw confirmed when he was Home Secretary 97/01, Anne Cryer also said it numerous times in Parliament, so has Sarah Champion, it is Muslim males who are causing the problem within the UK, Denmark, Germany, abusing and raping young females, basically because the religion of Islam allows it.

Go back to the history of Islam in Spain and Portugal it was for 900 years Islamic, the Balkans today.

So recently has Trevor Phillips OBE the ex chairman of the commission for racial equality.

Why is nothing done about it ??? its simple the Arms and associated services to most of the Muslim nations, it is a multi billion dollar industry, as well as the prestige clothing manufacturers, motor manufactures not forgetting the aviation industry.

If Europe is told to jump we say how high !!!!

Sorry but it comes down to commerce.