Jews and racism

OK, the thread has wandered through vegetarianism (which has no relevance whatsoever to any current intolerance of any religion or race, as far as I know)

What everyone does seem agreed on is that intolerance of ANYONE on the grounds of their race or religion is bad, as is continuing a historic condemnation that goes back centuries and is largely based on myths and misunderstandings based on ignorance. Between the Christian/Isamic crusades and the Christian/Jewish schism there is a whole load of baggage which should be jettisoned. Not just by the UK - the US is at least as much in thrall to it, so are the Islamic countries.

Christ would have eaten a Kosher diet

I'm still with you Annie and I'm not a member of any political party. The post about Jews murdering Christ is, in my humble opinion, abhorrent. This 'reason' was used in mainland Europe as one of the reasons why the population was supposed to hate Jews. It was partly responsible for, and enabled the Nazis to carry out their disgusting genocide. I'm shocked to find it here on Gransnet! As for Christ being vegetarian, I've no real idea any more than anyone else has, but I'm certain it was never stated to be so in the gospels, however I'm fair!y sure Christ would have e understandaten a Kosher diet.

Oh if only you could understand the finer points of an argument Annie but you can't so I won't bother repeating myself, providing fuel isn't causing you know. If you throw wood on a fire you keep it burning, doesn't mean you started it.

Thanks for that, Brightphoebus. You and your family are obviously among the 83% who do not feel threatened.
I have also read that many jews feel that the labour party is no more anti-semitic than other parties.

Jesus was an Essene, brought up as an Essene. His brother James ran the Essene community in Jerusalem.
Unfortunately, S/Paul then took over the organisation of Christianity. If James had carried on, who knows, Christianity could have been vegetarian.

Brightphoebus wrote
"We also feel that the Labour Party is no more anti-Semitic than any other party or group!"
I agree.
I'm not a typical Jew, converted with my half-Jewish husband in our middle age.
So we see (or try to see) both sides.
As Trisher says, black people also have longstanding problems with racism. Possibly worse than Jews.
I don't think antisemitism should be in a different category from basic racism. Same roots.

middle age.

Trisher, are you claiming anti semitism is caused only by the troubles between Israel and Palistine ?

And do not bother telling me who I should support when you haven't the foggiest who I do and do not support .

Let's not divert yet again,

So Annie what is your solution? Presumably you don't blame the Labour Party entirely for all the 17% that don't feel welcome. What would stop anti semitism from rising in this country? In my opinion dealing properly with Israel and providing proper support for the Palestinian people would be a great step forward and would stop providing fuel for those who promote the idea of a worldwide conspiracy of Jews. Besides being the right thing to do to protect a people who have suffered from far worse racism than anything anyone here has encountered. I recently posted about how Palestinian women are unable to stay in hospital with their children when they are hospitalised in Israeli areas because they are not given visas. Perhaps you could support these women as well
www.map.org.uk/campaigns/no-child-should-be-separated-from-her-mother-because-of-permits-and-checkpoints

I'm a secular Jew so wasn't polled. I have many friends who are not affiliated to synagogues or religious organisations who nevertheless regard themselves as Jewish, as do I and my DH and wider family. None of us are contemplating leaving the UK, and certainly not to settle in Israel which has become increasingly oppressive to Palestinians and immigrants who are not Jewish. We also feel that the Labour Party is no more anti-Semitic than any other party or group!

I have read posts which try to divert from the topic being discussed but - Christ was a vegetarian Jew take the gold medal

Yes Jen, I am still a member of the Labour Party and being a socialist care that 17% feel unwelcome , the difference between being a socialist and being hard left .

Jen, are you unwell? Christ was a vegetarian Jew?

83% believe the Labour party are not doing enough to support them.

What are you doing to support them, Annie?
That's the real reason you started this thread, to get at the Labour party again. But you are one of them still, aren't you?

Do I have to do a head count of those that I know before my opinions are presented?

Absolutely, Humbertbear. Jewish society covers the same cross section as any other. The congregations do help those in need though.

You know for certain that Christ was vegetarian, dj? Is that documented?

Chewbacca Anniebach 10.25 So we should look at the bigger picture ? 120 homes were destroyed in the tower fire, only 120 out of over four million social houses
That's derailing!
The reason, perhaps she realises that there is real reasoning behind discussing the problem in a wider contest and finding the roots of the problem is not what she would like to believe.

It was probably there to illustrate how many people didn't actually know whether they had ever met a Jew but were quite prepared to express opinions on statements about them.

Absolutely, Jewish society covers the same cross section as any other. The congregations do help those in need though.

Anniebach, Christ was a vegetarian Jew. You wish to follow?

Elegran, all those people who do not know how many jews they know?
The figures are in the bloody CAA report that you suggested we read before we say anything else. So I read it!
I thought it was a strange thing to ask, but they did.
Why are some figures acceptable to quote but not others?

Trisher Durhamjen has already negated any talk of condemning ALL racial and religious abuse by implying that 17% is nothing to worry about. Please include her with Anniebach in your post.

But this thread is about anti semitism trisher, didn't you notice the title at the top of the page? And it's being discussed, not derailed. Why do you think annie is derailing her own thread?

Illtellhim That accusation has been used against Jews from the beginning of Christianity and has been the excuse for hatred and at the root of endless pogroms! Airing it as a reason for it to be OK for "only 17%" of Jews to be in fear in a modern nation is quite inexcusable.

We should look at all racism and all religious hate crime Anniebach Stop trying to be clever and derail yet another discussion simply because you can't find something to really disagree with. ALL hate crime is wrong. ALL people should feel welcome in the UK. NO-ONE should abused because of their race, ethnic origin, religion, or style of dress. Unfortunately many of them are and much of that crime is in London.
What we should be discussing is the rise of right wing extremism which threatens the safety of anyone from any culture they deem to be un-British. Anti-semitism is certainly part of that problem, but the nit picking indulged in by the Labour Party and others who refuse to condemn the racism in Israel fuels the ideas of these people and arguably is responsible for the more extreme anti semitism we are now seeing.