Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

And are getting further and further from the leaving, whitewave, because nobody knows how.
The next big speech will probably give us ten years, instead of the present five.

Love your new word, by the way.

Most people that Corbyn stands up for couldn't afford a Harley-Davidson.

Thanks gg just read the Redwood bit, don't know how I missed all that!

So Redwood is up for a no deal is he? Well he'd better tell that to the civil service, as there no plans for such a scenario.

We will be back to the Cameron situation where there were no plans made for a Brexit vote, and lokkbat the chaos that has presented us with, even though we haven't yet actually left.

Is it causing embarrassment being linked with Corbynites?

John Redwood put in his place by Corbyn at the Oxford Union.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvAvNJL-gE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-P4mx1FLU

A speech by Tony Benn. This is why a vote for Corbyn is necessary.

It's here whitewave

Interesting isn't it that Guardian readers are grown up enough to actually welcome articles by writers of all political persuasions - or has JR changed sides?

I missed that cheese and I have the Guardian delivered maybe it's in tomorrow's Observer

There is an article in The Daily Telegraph headed
"Theresa May's Brexit speech; seriously? Was that it"

The Mail online states "Quentin Letts is underwhelmed by PM's speech which had promised so much"

I found these when I was looking to see how her speech had been received by the right wing press.

There was however a positive piece about the speech from John Redwood in The Guardian.

Day 6 perhaps you could post some links to the universal approval you assert there has been for Mrs May's speech because I can't find any.
As far as interesting, thoughtful and well written posts are concerned I think you need to take a long hard look at your own language. You constantly refer to any one with left wing views as "Corbynites" or "Corbynistas" and accuse them of jumping on the "I love Jezza" bandwagon. It's not really reasoned, informed or intellectual writing is it? Just name calling.

I feel excactly the same about many right wings comments I read - funny that

-As you say a sign of the times.

Still let's lift our eyes above such trifle.

ww We could all point to that sort of language and literary skill from all different political viewpoints, but they are a phenomenon that most thinking intelligent people simple ignore as not being worth a thought.

I agree such stuff should be ignored and it comes from ignorance, but if you are enjoying reading the views of others and the debate is punctuated regularly by obscenities issued towards those who don't share similar views ( and it's become a regular and common occurrence in Guardian comments section ) then it does make such online places a turn-off.

(I am sure many other papers' comments sections suffer in the same way, from those with all sorts of political allegiances, but I don't read many papers online. The Guardian has free access, unlike many.)

It makes me think that many who have recently jumped on the 'I love Jezza' hard left Labour bandwagon are aggressive, full of hatred for anyone who thinks differently from them and not particularly well-informed. It's a recent phenomenon in the world of keyboard politics and in the Guardian comments sections too. Comments used to be interesting, thoughtful and well written, whether I agreed with them or not. It's a shame. Sign of the times I guess.

I see Paddy Ashdown is of the opinion that parliamentary numbers will mean that there will be no Brexit - just a stalemate.

Not sure how your last point takes the debate any further forward day6

We could all point to that sort of language and literary skill from all different political viewpoints, but they are a phenomenon that most thinking intelligent people simple ignore as not being worth a thought.

I cannot agree that Mays speech was warmly welcomed.
What is true however is that she had indicated that FOM continues for at least 5 years, the ECJ continues its jurisdiction and we continue payment without any influence on decision making after 2019. This has given businesses what they wanted which is more certainty, but what it hasn't indicated is the sort of post Brexit UK that the government wants to see - largely because they are so utterly divided that it is impossible to come to any decision at present - if ever. What we have got over the next 5 years Sounds very like EEA to me.

This of course has driven the loons into paroxysms of fury, and we will await their next move with interest.

I may well read The Conversation. Thank you for mentioning it.

However, I suspect I'll detect left wing bias even if those who comment have more restraint and a better grasp of literacy and understanding than the recent influx of (young?) Guardian commentators. "Why don't you f* off and die you kno*head bigot!" directed by a Corbynista at someone with more considered views doesn't really add much to the debate.

Expected Day6, yet post about Corbyn on a Tory thread and wallop

Your advice, DJ .... "Maybe you should read the conversation all the time, instead of the Guardian."

.......made absolutely no sense at all. What conversation???? Where????

Then I realised you'd omitted the large case T and C which if used would have given the sentence some clarity and made it understandable.

theconversation.com/10-ways-we-are-different

The reason I suggested it is because you read the Guardian and complain about the standard of the comments.
No comments like that on the Conversation. Most of the comments are as well considered as the articles themselves.
Personally, I am not bothered whether you read them or not.

I know you know dj. I saw your link.

Are you in a parallel GN universe?

I merely researched the resource and those were my findings.

I know what the Conversation is, Day6. I have been putting links from it since I started on here.
I even gave you a link.

And yes Anniebach, the Florence speech has proved for Corbynites here to be a welcome thread diversion.

Apparently it wasn't even on the front page for most EU newspapers.

DJ - Maybe you should read the conversation all the time, instead of the Guardian.

I hadn't a clue what this meant until I realised The Conversation was in fact an online resource.

How it works - The Conversation sends daily emails seeking comment pieces on topical issues to key communication contacts within the University, who in turn identify researchers that may have the right expertise in which to respond

From the Oxford University site - "Oxford is a member of The Conversation and as such receives regular opportunities for researchers and academics across the University to contribute articles and to take part in hands-on training to enhance writing and engagement skills.

The articles are often picked up by other media (including the BBC, The Guardian, The Washington Post) resulting in even greater reach to audiences that can include academics, policymakers, funders and the public."

Oh, surprise, surprise!!

There are three left wing news sites mentioned above, and given most of academia is liberal and left wing thinking I suspect there'd be little neutrality in outlook. Quite recently University bodies have engaged in cancelling speakers who hold views contrary to their own, so, alas, the credentials of The Conversation are not particularly wonderful.

Left wing, liberal views are likely to be more acceptable to their editors than others I suspect. Right up your street DJ.

"Newspapers across Europe, including Die Zeit, Le Monde, Repubblica and El Pais all singled out Ms May’s demand for a transitional period.

German newspaper Die Zeit’s headline “A transition period without a plan” summarised commentators’ reaction that the speech was void of concrete propositions to make the negotiations move forward.

Italy’s La Repubblica said that while the PM had created an opening on the issue of EU citizens, “problems remain” with the UK’s approach.

On Twitter, social media users were also quick to criticise the lack of detail in Ms May’s speech, which failed to mention a financial settlement as part of the EU divorce bill but only guaranteeing money the UK has already committed to pay.

Jon Worth, a British citizen who lives and campaigns for the Green party in Berlin, commented on the speech: “So far, this has been even looser in its vocabulary on citizens’ rights and budget than we thought.”

Later he added: “There is so little new here. It’s quite extraordinary.” "