How to lose your staff in 4 easy lessons when you are the Brexit secretary

I must confess to feeling rather glad that we're making a Brexiter sick. It kind of compensates for all the sickness we've been feeling since 24th June 2017

Please keep on reading,Bambam

Or, even better, tell us why leaving the EU isn't as bad as we think it is. In practical terms please; we've already heard about the cake and the unicorns and putting the 'great' back into Britain.

If you are sick of reading a thread, the answer is in your own hands, don't read it.

Sick of reading this thread! A couple of remoaners spouting on incessantly about how great the EU is and how bad for us when we leave. Put a sock in it!

It's worse than May, Davis and Johnson losing their staff.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/21/almost-10000-eu-health-workers-have-quit-the-nhs-since-brexit-vote

Even the BBC is beginning to ask serious questions over our ports and customs.

Chris Cook of Newsnight, is of the opinion that the government is definitely not preparing for a no deal scenario, as if it was the diggers etc would be busy in Dover as we speak.

We have even less influence than we thought.
Nobody but Boris turned up to listen to May's speech.
How embarrassing.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-united-nations-donald-trump-new-york-speech-a7958326.html

The rest of the world is far bigger than the EU ww if you're only interested in size of the market.

But, unfortunately:

www.standard.co.uk/business/anthony-hilton-brexit-wouldnt-ease-trade-nightmare-a3235071.html

medium.com/@SamuelMarcLowe/can-global-britain-defy-gravity-18df4e9f4f7f

Just a couple of articles. There are, of course, more.

My Danish grandson could be called up anyway, in three years time.
My Norwegian and Spanish grandchildren will not.
I doubt whether there would be call-up even if there were a federal Europe. Every country manages to get enough people willing to join their forces.
Why do you imagine there would be call-up?

Yet another bit of Brexit scaremongering.

We will still import German cars, not sure of your point.

Given of course we have all the necessary border checks in place.

As for a Federal Europe. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that we opted out entirely of the first tranche, and would do again, if we choose to do so at a later date.

That is simple scaremongering.

As for the £350m. The Brexiters lied, you may choose to believe what you wish. I choose to believe facts, and they tell me that it was a lie.

I have noticed that there's not been one positive comment on Junckers speech, that was the one where he spoke about his dream of a federal Europe.
That would be the federal Europe that remainers denied was ever going to happen, along with the European army.
If by some bizarre twist we didn't leave: how would some GNs feel about their GC being called up, because that's going to come, somewhere down the line.

Marieeliz
Exactly!!
We are the biggest German car importer in the world
It is around fifth of the total number the industry exports worldwide.
Or, ( 2016) figures: 810,000 cars. Who should be worried, us or them.

The rest of the world is far bigger than the EU ww if you're only interested in size of the market.
As far as the £350 million 'lie' is concerned, I'm sure you understand the difference between the UK choosing to spend £x million on, for example, farming subsidies and the EU choosing to spend that money. I totally understand the difference, so to me, it's not a lie, it's a decision.

We are not Germany's only customer. We are a country of 60 million. The EU represents 550million potential customers to the UK. You don't have to be very clever to work that one out.

Our payments to the EU represented less than 1% of out GDP.

Brexiters are so good at lying, in fact they've resurrected the biggest lie of all this week with the £350million. They even admitted it was a lie last year.

What fools they take us for.

You'll still be able to buy them. They'll just cost more.
Of course they want us to trade. They will charge 10% taxes on cars and 5% on any other goods.
Is that what you voted for? Your kitchen equipment to cost more?
How strange.

I am sick of being told, I did not know what I was voting for, I did. I did not want a larger Europe costing us even more money. I did not vote for The Common Market last time as I believed it would not stop there.

As for quoting The Guardian I will say nothing about that one.

What is Germany going to do when they don't allow us to trade with them freely. Everything in my kitchen is German, not that I had any choice. Even my vacuum cleaners are made in Germany. This is going to be a great loss to them if they don't allow us to trade.

The Remainers will pick holes in everything because they lost the vote and don't like it.

May's government is obviously in disarray if the Foreign Secretary (no less) is writing articles in the press which are an attempt to torpedo her speech in Florence this week. Johnson has become the wrong kind of joke and is now very unlikely to succeed in becoming Leader. You can only play the comedy card for so long. And the lying through your teeth about £350 million a week card. As for the Brexit negotiations, there is not plenty of time to get things sorted. There is a long list of complex issues to be resolved and the team have not nailed anything down as yet - the Tory party are still arguing about them. The three key issues - cost, expat rights and the Irish border would still seem to be a long way from settled (does the Cabinet know what they are aiming to get agreed - it appears not). Whatever is "agreed" about Ireland has to get the agreement of the Irish government at the end of the process (along with the other 27) or the whole shebang is dead in the water. Cameron was an utter fool to call another referendum after nearly losing Scotland from the Union. So if he's feeling remorseful, so he damn well should.

Your Danish gentleman was wrong. Look at all the treaties and see the part the UK played in formulating them. It is enormous. There are hardly any instances where we disagreed and where we did so we simply opted out.

Cameron is/was like all the current Tory ministers incompetent. You cannot assume anything from his failures.

Have you been bearing a grudge against the EU all that time, Legs? Because a Danish guy didn't think the UK was the brightest star in the firmament? And what didn't we produce? We only managed to make a huge amount of money out of financial services to the EU, including key euro transactions when we weren't even part of the eurozone.

David Cameron got far more from the EU than the media and the Leavers would have us believe but hey, what does honest reporting matter?

Well, let's see how 'important' we are to the rest of the world when it comes to making money out of them. So far they haven't been falling over themselves to do deals with us...

I certainly didn't vote Leave as a protest against the Tories. I visited the EU building in Brussels in 1988, Great Britain was considered unimportant, according to the Danish gentleman who gave us a film show & lecture, we didn't produce anything either unlike the other EU members. All the EU wanted from us was our contribution, certainly not an important member as David Cameron learned. The sooner we free ourselves from the EU the better.

You could equally argue that Remainers voted for other reasons other than the fact they actively wanted to be part of the EEC. It's a red herring.

Remainers voted Remain because they wanted to stay in the EU. What other reason could they possibly have had?
Whereas voting Leave in protest against the tory government had nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. Big difference in my opinion.

^ Democracy, even a poor one, is better than dictatorship from a few jumped up Eurocrats.^

As we are on the verge of loosing our 'democracy' through May's 'Repeal Bill' I find that a deeply ironic statement.

So ican having voted presumably to leave, the ball is now in your court and all other leave voters.

How do we deal with the shortage of doctors, nurses, farm workers, entertainment staff, etc?
How do we deal with the farm subsidies, science funding, the huge expense of customs and excise infrastructure?

How do we deal and avert the potential shortage of food stuffs, medicines, machine/car parts?

By voting leave you and other leave voters have taken responsibility for this state of affairs

The reasons that people voted for Brexit are neither here nor there. The fact is, they voted for it. You could equally argue that Remainers voted for other reasons other than the fact they actively wanted to be part of the EEC. It's a red herring.
Papers get good sales from scaremongering and both sides are working hard to make sure we are all terrified no matter which side we are on.
For my part, I think the speeches about a Federal Europe from the European Elite are what terrifies me about Europe, not the people, not the trade agreements, immigration or any of the other arguments. Democracy, even a poor one, is better than dictatorship from a few jumped up Eurocrats.

I am posting and reading very little at the moment as I am completely at a loss and feel utterly shattered at the state of this government. It is no secret of course that I could never vote Tory, but I do expect the government of whatever colour to have the competence, integrity and intelligence to lead this country towards a solid future. Nothing I see gives me the confidence that this is like to happen.

The latest thing I have read which fills me with despondancy is the report that the Leave chief Dominic Cummings has stated that the triggering of A50 is an historic unforgivable blunder.

Why is no one listening why are we heading as a result for the a prolonged and unnecessary period of economic decline and difficulties? I have a friend who works London in a department in the CS who says that there are rumours afoot that ration books are being considered.

God almighty what is the matter with this country?

It was the wish of the majority of British people that we leave the EU.

No it wasn't. It was the 'wish' of the majority of the British people who voted. And their reasons for voting Leave were so diverse that it proved quite difficult to determine what exactly they really wanted. For a start, we know that many voted in protest against the current tory government; really nothing to do with the EU...