Moggmentum is getting stronger

From the Twitter conversation :

Stephen Brown @StephenWFLabour
2 Oct
Yes he was. If you want to ignore what JRM and his lot are doing and in who's name suit yourself; but you're only fooling yourself.

Lydia Suffield @lydiaenigma
2 Oct
Mate, I really don't care. I'm going to vote for a party that's going to help my family.

Tories get the 'I'm all right Jack' vote.

Do you think Jacob Rees-Mogg saying the conference is like a North Korean rally is helpful, then?

My post wasn't as silly as you think, lemongrove because, while you cannot change an actual government while it is in power, people can have an influence on legislation through lobbying, responding to consultations, protesting and even initiating legal challenges.

Governments always have an Opposition which can propose and carry amendments to legislation if they can demonstrate that their amendment is sensible or that it is likely to alienate not only their voters, but also the government's voters, if it isn't carried. Any government wants to be returned for a further term and is conscious that if its legislation is too unpopular it is likely to lose them votes. at the next general election.

There is nothing straightforward, or set in stone, about governance.

Only 850? Momentum is slipping

www.facebook.com/ThePeoplesAssembly/videos/1582790958455455/

The lad was on Daily Politics today.

At the same time the Rees-Mogg speech was on, McDonnell had 850 listening to him in Manchester Cathedral. I know who won.

twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/914827695195918336

Where did anyone see f-ing and blinding?
It's not in the transcript of the speech.
What was omitted was the Tory youth shouting Labour scum all the time. That didn't add to the discussion at all.

At least he hasn't advocated lynching any of the opposition- unlike that pillar of society J McDonnell.

He is entitled to his opinion on abortion but he is hypocritical to make money from abortion pills.

Saying - be of good cheer to 18 year olds is ridiculed, using the f word to 18 year olds is defended. This in my opinion is how low part of the Labour Party has sunk.

A silly post from you Maizie because it was obvious I meant that to change anything politically you need an election, shouting and waving banners and leaflets, spitting, jostling and so on accomplish nothing and show what some
People are like, just as all the online abuse directed at MP’s, but more ‘in your face’.Yelling that MP’s are despicable ( reminds me of Minions) ? is barmy.

Pity non violently didn't include speech

It may come as a complete surprise to you, lemongrove but in the UK people are allowed to protest peacefully about anything they like, at any time they like. They don't have to wait for a general election. 'Peaceful' in this context doesn't mean 'quietly' either. It just means non-violently.

FWIW I think that the EU negotiators would eat JRM

I'm not comfortable with abortion per sa and definitely UNcomfortable with one over three months, and would only agree to it under very exceptional circumstances.
All politicians are open to criticism, but shouldn't have to put up with being sworn at, spat on or subjected to threatening behaviour of any kind.

nothing to do with class, no politician should stand on a stage in the O2 and use the f word. And most definitely there is an aggression and vulgarity new to the Labour Party in the last few years, embarrassing for some of us, acceptable for others.

niggly I dont know ANYONE who would say they want abortion but MOST accept that its a necessity .What would you do if your daughter 's life was at risk and the doctor said you have to let her die because abortion is against the law ?Accept it as the "will of god" I know I wouldn't !

whatever you think of him ,as a politician he must be open to criticism ...even outside the conference ..after all he's paid BY US ,that gives US rights .Not that you would ever know it where tories are concerned .Mr Reese Mogg is just another hypocritical tory ...do what I say not what I do .Hats off to the young man who faced up to him

I think it’s a sad reflection on society when aggressive, rude protesters against Conservatives act the way they do outside the conference centre.Were there aggressive, rude people shouting outside the Labour conference centre, I doubt it.
We have a system in place to get rid of a government we don’t like, it’s called a general election, and we have just had one.Labour didn’t win it.

Everyone is entitled to their views including JRM and not all of us are that keen on abortion!

Inverted snobbery, nellie?

I think not; that's a hangover from when 'class' mattered and the 'upper classes' were held to be superior to the lower classes.

Courteous and charming he might be but he comes over as more 'entitled' than intelligent and his politics are deeply unpleasant.

Heaven help us if voters think charm and manners are more important attributes in a politician than good solid political nous and an interest in benefiting all our citizens.

Of course it matters, and of course you can voice your disapproval forcefully, but surely you don't have to resort to f-ing and blinding and threatening behaviour to get you point across?!

Not agreeing with abortion under any circumstances at the same time as making money from abortion pills doesn't matter at all does it? As long as you have good manners.

You're right annie, being obnoxious in every respect is apparently fine, being willing to engage in courteous conversation is ridiculous, old fashioned and turns you into a figure of fun. Very sad reflection of the times we live in.

Polite, intelligent and well mannered. Not everyone's cup of tea obviously but I like him.

Niggly, seems he should say to 18 year olds - they are f*****g losers, much more acceptable, for some